Hi Bede
what I know about ethymology of "tir"
tir come from the verb "tirer" meanning "to get something out of his contenair" or contening
french verb "tirer" come fron latin;"martyrare " who become in old
french "martirie" and "martirant" linked with the word "bourreau"
("mar" meaning "mal"=bad)
bourreau meaning 'hangman" also named "tyran" or" tiranz"in old french because very often
the hangman or executionner pull out an arm,a leg or the head out of the
body of the convict wich become a "martyre"=martyrdom
after XVI century verb "tirer" is used with the meaning to shoot a bullet or
an arrow as now
it will be interessing to know the ethymoly in turk
I think a dictionnary is a very good idea
how do you said
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Jak,
The etymology in Turkish is directly from Persian. The native Turkish word for arrow is ok which is traceable back a long way. The Persian word is equally old and I have references to it in my Pahlavi dictionary back to Parthian times.
The Iranian group of languages are Indo-European like French and Latin but belong to the so-called satem branch, not the centum branch of Italo-Celtic and Germanic languages.
Tir, in that group of languages, has the meaning of shaft and arrow. That is, it generally refers to a cylindrical object rather just an arrow. It was probably absorbed into Turkish at the same time as the word kaman for bow during the first interactions with the Turks and Iranian culture. The Seljuks of Rum (Anatolia) had already started to adopt names from the Iranian national Epic, the Shahnama. An example is Kai-Khosrau who had a thoroughly Iranian mythic name.
The etymology in Turkish is directly from Persian. The native Turkish word for arrow is ok which is traceable back a long way. The Persian word is equally old and I have references to it in my Pahlavi dictionary back to Parthian times.
The Iranian group of languages are Indo-European like French and Latin but belong to the so-called satem branch, not the centum branch of Italo-Celtic and Germanic languages.
Tir, in that group of languages, has the meaning of shaft and arrow. That is, it generally refers to a cylindrical object rather just an arrow. It was probably absorbed into Turkish at the same time as the word kaman for bow during the first interactions with the Turks and Iranian culture. The Seljuks of Rum (Anatolia) had already started to adopt names from the Iranian national Epic, the Shahnama. An example is Kai-Khosrau who had a thoroughly Iranian mythic name.
Bede