but if not:
it includes a nice depiction of a "kipchak" bow + arrow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Igorsvyat.jpg
- its likely a crimean tatar or ?
similar case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Die_drei_Bogatyr.jpg
Victor Vasnetsov pics
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Uli
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some of you might know this picture
but if not:
it includes a nice depiction of a "kipchak" bow + arrow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Igorsvyat.jpg
- its likely a crimean tatar or ?
similar case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Die_drei_Bogatyr.jpg
but if not:
it includes a nice depiction of a "kipchak" bow + arrow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Igorsvyat.jpg
- its likely a crimean tatar or ?
similar case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Die_drei_Bogatyr.jpg
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Bede
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- Location: Sydney, Australia
I think the bows are realistic, but not based closely on the real information from excavations and the limited number of depictions.
The armour is post Mongol invasion for the steppe rider in the first URL and the armour in the second one is likewise anachronistic. The sabre in the second picture is considerably out of context.
The first bow might be based on the outline of a Krim Tatar bow. They came in various sizes and not all were big. The second bow looks to be the same as the first. They look like Turkish bows with set back handles. This is not impossible, but there is no indication that they were used by Kipchaks.
I wonder if the researchers are mixing up the pre-Mongol ethnic Kipchaks and the post-Mongol Qipchaq Ordu. The earlier Kipchaks were a tribal group of Turkish nomads. The Qipchaq Ordu was a state formed by the descendants of Jochi Qan through his son Batu. It was a multi-ethnic state with trade relations with Central Asia and Iran. As a result, there were many influences on its military technology. The majority of its population were ethnic Kipchaks, but, while the Mongol ruling class adopted the Kipchak dialect of Turkish, the Kipchaks adopted many Mongol military practices. Eventually they adopted Islam and many Iranian influences are seen too.
I am only spelling the name Kipchak/Qipchaq differently to distinguish the usage. It is the same word under different transliterations.
The armour is post Mongol invasion for the steppe rider in the first URL and the armour in the second one is likewise anachronistic. The sabre in the second picture is considerably out of context.
The first bow might be based on the outline of a Krim Tatar bow. They came in various sizes and not all were big. The second bow looks to be the same as the first. They look like Turkish bows with set back handles. This is not impossible, but there is no indication that they were used by Kipchaks.
I wonder if the researchers are mixing up the pre-Mongol ethnic Kipchaks and the post-Mongol Qipchaq Ordu. The earlier Kipchaks were a tribal group of Turkish nomads. The Qipchaq Ordu was a state formed by the descendants of Jochi Qan through his son Batu. It was a multi-ethnic state with trade relations with Central Asia and Iran. As a result, there were many influences on its military technology. The majority of its population were ethnic Kipchaks, but, while the Mongol ruling class adopted the Kipchak dialect of Turkish, the Kipchaks adopted many Mongol military practices. Eventually they adopted Islam and many Iranian influences are seen too.
I am only spelling the name Kipchak/Qipchaq differently to distinguish the usage. It is the same word under different transliterations.
Bede