SALUKI HYBRID CRAB BOW

redhawk · Post by **redhawk** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:47 am

Don?t believe all the manipulated prejudices supported by the glass- fibre industry.
Our ancestors have built empires with hornbows, they couldn?t store their weapons in dry warm rooms like we can do it today.
Real hornbows will outlast every plastic- bow.
Plastic bows are very sensitive with hot weather....................
You should know that Saluki bows are by far the most high priced bows ever.
Actually we?ve some more first class bowyers who know how to do a premium job for less money.

Somehow I?ve the feeling that the ATARNET is sometimes abused as a public relation base for our "masters of fake"? Maybe we should open a new section for to discuss "modern bows based on historical designs". That?s much more serious and I would not bother you anymore.

Michael

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:22 pm

Redhawk,

You are not bothering but the way in which you made that statement was kind of ill willed. I am here at atarn to learn about the hornbow, it uses and abilities.

I see that you make hornbows.

To refute a point is all well and good and that is how we learn. But to run another down makes one wonder what is the motive.

Lucas Novotny has done alot, good or bad, for horse archery and asian style bows. He has brought about awareness that know one else has been able to accomplish.

Now you might not agree with technique or authenticity or how he may go about it and that is your right.

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:58 pm

Redhawk,
I somewhat get what you are coming from, but who are these "first class bowyers who know how to do a premium job for less money"? Because most of the bowyers on this forum dont sell their bows, and the only PREMIUM horn bowyers I know that sell their bows are Koppedrayer, and Novotny. These two bowyers are the only ones that make quality horn bows as I know of. You would be doing me a favor to mention some bowyers that are of their level of expertise that sell for less. The only other good out of USA bowyers I know that sell their bows for cheap is the koreans. They sell for 1000-1500, which is alot cheaper than the 2400-3000 that american bowyers want. Also I believe fiberglass-wood bowyers are "masters of practicality" instead of "masters of fakes".

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:19 pm

I?m sorry, but there are several different questions.
Traditional archery
Traditional bowyery
Prices
I?m traditional archer. My reason is, that for traditional archery is neccesary traditional bow, traditional arrow and traditional style. Historical costume is dispensable.
Traditional bow is possible to make or buy and believe me, that I was trying first way. I?m basicaly sure, that only traditional bow is usefull for hunting and war and draw weight starts on 80 pounds. I wasn?t succesfull. Maximum draw weight on my bow was 55 pounds and bow didn?t work well.
But I?m fanatical competitor and to have some bow is neccesary for me.

Next possible way is to buy it. I saw only few good hornbows in my life (not including museal exponates). Yokhua, Novotn?, Karpowitz and although I never had in my hand, I know that Jap Koppedrayer is good bowyer too.
With Saluki hornbow I was shooting in very rainy day (on bogenmesse in Neubach) and Lukas didn?t affraid. Price means my clear income for 2 month, but for instance my wife is more expensive hobby

Hornbow of this quality is my dream , and I?m working to have it.

I would like to be traditional bowyer. To have ancestors, which learned me they proffesionality for continue in tradition. Unfortunately I was only trying to discover old technologies. It wasn?t tradition , it was recognoscation.
At present I have hybrid bow with size, shape and performance the same as hornbow and to comming hornbow, I?m satisfied.
I highly respect all with enthusiasm and enough will which are discovering for us nice world of hornbows and enlarge our knowledges

dragonman · Post by **dragonman** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:34 pm

Jiao,I agree with you, everyone wants to own the best bow, this is missing the point of archery, the bow is for shooting and hitting what is aimed at, not just something to be owned and diplayed on the wall and shot occasionaly. The main objective is to become a good archer, then the good bow will come. The best bows are meant to be owned by the best archers, but in these modern materialistic times we just want to collect and own everything without the discioline of practice

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:12 am

I see both sides of the argument and that is one reason why when I was a finger shooter I would shoot bows made of only natural materials. Which I made myself.

Unfortunatly I found three problems with owning a "hornbow" the first cash, the second is finding a bowyer who I feel is not "ripping" me off; with the cost of some fiberglass bows going at $800 + in American dollars I can only believe the "mark up" on a hornbow is at least twice as much, the third is I myself do not know how to make a composite hornbow...yet.

As far as durabilty the hornbow is more durable then it's glass counterpart. The problem is the average person does not know the maintenace of a hornbow and what it takes to ensure the bow is balanced properly upon stringing.