Bamboo arrow debate

[stiventiger]

i prefer horn insert nock or selfnocked or insert hard wood way,with plastic nock is not good choice:natural match natural is hormany,likes quite art beauty and it is also enjoying to see the bamboo arrows

[jack farrell]

Stiven; Agreed. Someone should sell these insert nocks already made; horn, wood, bone.

[stiventiger]

Stiven; Agreed. Someone should sell these insert nocks already made; horn, wood, bone.

i already plan to sell horn insert nock bamboo arrow shafts during 1 month,so,buyers is quite simple to put fletch and points on and also to sell finished bamboo arrows which many people haven't time to make nock and points and fltech on,they just want to shoot bamboo arrows only,no interesting to DIY.big problems is vaired buyers love vaired nock and fletch shape and points,it will take many problems if i sell to them finished arrows,somebady like this,somebady like that,so,i first sell shafts only to let them to do what they loved points or fltech or points,and then i will see some results what is their prefered bamboo arrows shape.
pls see photo and if buddies can tel me if my insert nock is propro right size?
photo 087 is my original design of bamboo glue type nock,but it is too weak,i use finger to press it split with medium force,so,i leave it and use horn insert nock only:very hard that you cann't press it spilt by finger even you have strong force finger and almost never split the nock even you shoot 1000times.and looks quite cute also.

[Orda Khan]

Ashbow,
Yes, I used sinew wrap and horn insert nocks on my first bamboo arrows some time ago. Fashioning individual nocks from horn was just so time consuming that I gave up on it quite early I found self nocks to be adequately up to the job but with the drawback that a rear end strike ruins the whole arrow.
As I mentioned, this arrow was barely 1/4" at the nock end and it was a solid node for over 1/2" ...really solid, like glass, you could not mark it. I have a dremel but I didn't have the nerve, so I filed the end to fit the nock. I didn't want to use sinew wraps on these as I am whipping them with silk. Plastic nocks are at least fairly easy to replace and any strike usually breaks just the nock. Like you I have nothing against them because they are convenient for everyday arrows. However, take a look at the nocks Poletti are offering, wood or horn. They are pre drilled so fit is like plastic nocks and the body is a slotted blank that just requires fine adjustment to fit the string. One of these to replace the plastic nock would improve the look of that arrow.

Jack,
You can find horn and bone insert nocks on offer from Rudderbows. I found them a bit expensive but they look nice.
http://www.rudderbowsarchery.com//store ... cts_id=386

Stiven,
I agree, natural does look better and that horn strip insert is a good remedy and used quite a bit with Longbow arrows. I do think a peg type insert nock of wood or horn would look nicer still. Unfortunately neither was much of an option for this particular arrow but it was such a beautiful shaft I had to find a solution.

[Ashbow]

I have a couple of Poletti's bamboo arrows with the horn nocks as you described at hand, looks very nice, but the arrows and nocks are quite huge though.

Now, I have access to loads of horn scraps and offcuts in the workshop, scraps of exotic harwdoos too, shame to throw them away, so we just pile them up in boxes, occasionally one can find some use to them.
The thing with the insert type of nock is like you described, the fit can be quite 'individual' on every arrow. Orda, I have no doubt you are a skilled craftsman.

[jchocz]

I have a couple of Poletti's bamboo arrows with the horn nocks as you described at hand, looks very nice, but the arrows and nocks are quite huge though.

Now, I have access to loads of horn scraps and offcuts in the workshop, scraps of exotic harwdoos too, shame to throw them away, so we just pile them up in boxes, occasionally one can find some use to them.
The thing with the insert type of nock is like you described, the fit can be quite 'individual' on every arrow. Orda, I have no doubt you are a skilled craftsman.

My nocks. There is no problem.



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[Daniel]

Jchocz, the nocks on the bottom picture arrows - are they bone? white horn? wood painted white?

[jkekoni]

BTW: "Snap on" nocks can be made as wood self nocks as well as they can be made from antler or horn.

[stiventiger]

Ashbow,
Yes, I used sinew wrap and horn insert nocks on my first bamboo arrows some time ago. Fashioning individual nocks from horn was just so time consuming that I gave up on it quite early I found self nocks to be adequately up to the job but with the drawback that a rear end strike ruins the whole arrow.
As I mentioned, this arrow was barely 1/4" at the nock end and it was a solid node for over 1/2" ...really solid, like glass, you could not mark it. I have a dremel but I didn't have the nerve, so I filed the end to fit the nock. I didn't want to use sinew wraps on these as I am whipping them with silk. Plastic nocks are at least fairly easy to replace and any strike usually breaks just the nock. Like you I have nothing against them because they are convenient for everyday arrows. However, take a look at the nocks Poletti are offering, wood or horn. They are pre drilled so fit is like plastic nocks and the body is a slotted blank that just requires fine adjustment to fit the string. One of these to replace the plastic nock would improve the look of that arrow.

Jack,
You can find horn and bone insert nocks on offer from Rudderbows. I found them a bit expensive but they look nice.
http://www.rudderbowsarchery.com//store ... cts_id=386

Stiven,
I agree, natural does look better and that horn strip insert is a good remedy and used quite a bit with Longbow arrows. I do think a peg type insert nock of wood or horn would look nicer still. Unfortunately neither was much of an option for this particular arrow but it was such a beautiful shaft I had to find a solution.

with special design machine,horn insert nocks become very easy work,norammly if use hand craft,1 person can do horn insert nocks only 10-20pcs,but with machine way 1 person can do :100pcs horn insert way,just it is the secret.in a word,we use maxium modern technology skill to produce tranditional art instead of just copy without thinking hard or deeply on how to improve qquality and down the total cost.

[stiventiger]

I have a couple of Poletti's bamboo arrows with the horn nocks as you described at hand, looks very nice, but the arrows and nocks are quite huge though.

Now, I have access to loads of horn scraps and offcuts in the workshop, scraps of exotic harwdoos too, shame to throw them away, so we just pile them up in boxes, occasionally one can find some use to them.
The thing with the insert type of nock is like you described, the fit can be quite 'individual' on every arrow. Orda, I have no doubt you are a skilled craftsman.

today i just think to use modern material like hard resin or aluminimum metal strips to do insert nocks,as they are more economic and easy work on insert nock making.from out side,people can't distinguish it is horn or resin,only when you burn it you can see what is the diffirence,aluminium instert nock is also my newest design in nock histroy,metal is heardest material and economic price and easy work with,but i worry metal insert nock will let bamboo arrows look not harmany,but may be more cute or exllent,at least it is most hardest inser nock,i will do some sample when i have free time,but also buddy in forum try to do aluminium insert nocks samples,i think alu inser nock is never spilted by hand force,even 10000time shoot if possible to shoot so long
below photo show my orignal design of steel insert nock,but it is heavy,so,i wwant to use aluminimum strips like horn insert way to do same samples to see what is the results

[Daniel]

Stiven,
Do you think you could make peg type insert nock out of buff horn in large quantity?

[stiventiger]

Stiven,
Do you think you could make peg type insert nock out of buff horn in large quantity?

How much you need?and i need real sample,photo not show clearly,i think 300pcs above is for starting

[jchocz]

Jchocz, the nocks on the bottom picture arrows - are they bone? white horn? wood painted white?

There are the white horn and plastic. We can not know which are plastic.

Other variants of nocks and tips that I use.

[Daniel]

Jchocz,
I think these arrows look fantastic! And as much as I admire your decoration skills I think that the plane version (as we can see on those last two pictures)
is very neat and elegant! Could you give as a close up of those nocks? Also do you think that the wrap at the nock end is necessary? Assuming that both fit and alignment of the nock are perfect?

[stiventiger]

Jchocz, the nocks on the bottom picture arrows - are they bone? white horn? wood painted white?

There are the white horn and plastic. We can not know which are plastic.

Other variants of nocks and tips that I use.


I always appreciate western people work very detail and careful,and chinese culture is full of our bamboo arrows:we don't care more of surface and more care inside value,)make it long use and very hard,this point similar germany trandition))but japanese accept very much western culture than chinese,they always make surface very beauty,but don't care more about inside.and now western people make very beauty of surface of bamboo arrows,so,bamboo arrow made by western people is mixed culture:eastern and western(eastern don't care more of surface,but western care more about surface,that is very fanny and very good thing for both,that is why i like to sell shafts only and let western people to do rest work of the arrows.that will make bamboo arrow perfectly.