Bamboo arrow debate

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:13 pm

Daniel wrote:... Could you give as a close up of those nocks? Also do you think that the wrap at the nock end is necessary? Assuming that both fit and alignment of the nock are perfect?

Thank you for the compliment. Nocks and wrapped around the tip is NECESSARY (arrows resistance is increased, otherwise damage to the arrows)! The photo is just a blank arrows. You'll complete in the coming days.

I'll try to get a better picture nocks ...

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:49 am

jchocz wrote:
Daniel wrote:... Could you give as a close up of those nocks? Also do you think that the wrap at the nock end is necessary? Assuming that both fit and alignment of the nock are perfect?
Thank you for the compliment. Nocks and wrapped around the tip is NECESSARY (arrows resistance is increased, otherwise damage to the arrows)! The photo is just a blank arrows. You'll complete in the coming days.

I'll try to get a better picture nocks ...

good artist and good arrow makers.enjoying to seeing the arrows

Daniel T. · Post by **Daniel T.** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:20 am

In the meantime I have also finished the first set of arrows using my Tiger shafts. They are 32" long and spined between 60-65#. I weighed the arrows before fletching, weights were within 502,5 and 505 grains including a 100 grain point. I look forward to shooting them!

(click for larger image, I am aware that I need a new camera)

Daniel

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:36 am

Daniel T. wrote:In the meantime I have also finished the first set of arrows using my Tiger shafts. They are 32" long and spined between 60-65#. I weighed the arrows before fletching, weights were within 502,5 and 505 grains including a 100 grain point. I look forward to shooting them!

Daniel

Very nice work. Have a good shot in the new year 2011!

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:22 pm

Daniel T. wrote:In the meantime I have also finished the first set of arrows using my Tiger shafts. They are 32" long and spined between 60-65#. I weighed the arrows before fletching, weights were within 502,5 and 505 grains including a 100 grain point. I look forward to shooting them!

Daniel

photo show as if modern style,i hope somebady can do tranditional europain pattern bamboo arrows,if yes,that is amazing:western and estern culture mixed:that is new trend in future,
in fact,tiger bamboo shafts is already mixed with a lot of culture:uk size+usa spine standards+italian art design( i lived in italia for many years) and germany hard quality(for repeat use many times without damage) and korean nodes placement design+chinese process(mainly is on tolenrecne and stiff)

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:45 pm

Daniel; So very nice. You have addressed all the good qualities of an arrow.

How many of Tiger's shafts did you have to choose these 10 shafts from? Are those self nocks?

Daniel T. · Post by **Daniel T.** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:54 pm

I have 500 shafts, weight of most of them between 26 and 29 grams. Some have more and some less. These were selected from approximately 100 shafts weighing between 26.5 and 27.5 grams. With more tolerance on the nodes I could have made a larger set, but for these ones I wanted to follow your advice on making them as close as possible. Having this number of shafts I could afford this luxury, also I do not mind the weight because I am rarely shooting large distances.
I have posted a picture of the 27 grams shafts earlier, but for this picture I had not considered the orientation of the smaller end. You were right regarding the center of gravity. I should still get a third set from them, I already picked the shafts for the second one. I hope the other weight groups turn out equally fine, I have not looked at them yet. http://198.170.107.188/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17913

I made some 4mm pine dowels to strengthen the nocks.

Daniel

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:33 am

i never thought so many people love bamboo arrows when i design it,my original thought is very simple:to push them into market and look what happen later,the result is so amazing over my imagination.i am often happy when i see these topics

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:32 am

Now my turn, I finished some Japanese war arrows. I used the tiger shafts and goose feathers he offers. On the other hand the kabura-ya was made with Japanese burnt node bamboo (fushikage).
The Karimata head was made for me some years ago by the world known arrowhead maker Hector Cole.
Tiger, I hope you enjoy them

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:36 am

Daniel,

Your Mughal arrows are amazing! True to the originals.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:26 am

Jose; These do my heart good. Please tell everyone how it feels to own and shoot such masterpieces.

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:39 am

Jos?Dom wrote:Daniel,

Your Mughal arrows are amazing! True to the originals.

wommmmmmm,Jose
real art items you done!!!
i will copy these wonderful photos and show to my partners,the bis goose colour looks very great,fantastical bamboo arrows,as if here become bamboo arrow international musuem now.

Daniel T. · Post by **Daniel T.** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:38 pm

Jos?, I am happy you like them. I think I should post the links to said arrows to avoid confusion of the less curious people that did not check what is after image 02

These arrows resemble a design of Mughal arrows shown in the Grayson collection. I applied a sinew wrapping around the nock splice, but I used thread to bind the feathers because I always make a mess with the hide glue.
http://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/grayso ... rrows.shtm
http://itp.tugraz.at/~skerm/arrows/arrows03.jpg
http://itp.tugraz.at/~skerm/arrows/arrows04.jpg
I find the nocks are not as nicely bulbous as in the originals, but it is ok for the first try. I have never been good at painting, so I paint arrows to practice. I use acrylic paint for the painting because for me painting is enough on its own, I don't want to worry about the paint as well. I can only admire the stunning decoration that skilled people like Adam can do.

I totally agree with the others, that are amazing arrows you made, makes me immediately want to have a set of such arrows! Where did you get the arrow heads?

Daniel

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:46 pm

Jose
eres una maquina, que pedazo de trabajo mas bien acabado...todas las puntas son de Hector?

Just one query, length of feathers?

Gracias por las fotos!

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:38 pm

Thanks for your comments, this made my day!

Jack, I feel making a replica as close to the originals is a challenge. When done right, it?s an honor to own and use something like warriors of the past. It also makes you appreciate what our ancestors did with less resources and technical advancement but with better skill than us.

Tiger, feel free to use the pictures. My pleasure.

Daniel, yes, these are the arrows I was talking about. They are excellent like the real thing. You even made the open nocks for thick strings...do you have a bow with a string big enough for these nocks?
You have talent for painting. I don?t have the skill or patience for that kind of thing. I decorate my Turkish arrows but the result isn?t as good as yours.

Outlaw, de nada! No soy una m?quina...tardo mucho tiempo en finalizarlas y no tengo mucho tiempo libre.

The arrowheads I got them from Jaap, the famous bowyer.
The length of the fleching is about 6 inches.

Thanks again.