Tatar / Bashkir

[TZH]

For Tamr: the "baskir" bow from the Weapon Enc.:

[TZH]

Reconstr. of hungarian strung bow cases, 9-10. Cent.

[TZH]

An other:

[TZH]

3.

[TZH]

Middle and upper boneplates of a soft bow case :

[TZH]

And: this is the MB-bow?

TZH

[Alam ed Din, Adnan]

Does anyone have any pictures of Sib-Tatar bows or equipment.
Adam K. recomended I look for Bashkir bows.
Any pics anyone?????

Here are the drawings from Saracene Archery, of which one was supposedly drawn from a Bashkir bow (the Siyah).

The other one (not Bashkir)

[Tamr The Nomad]

Thank you so much!!!!!!!!

[Bede]

Remember, the second picture is not of a Bashkir bow. It is based on the reconstruction of Taybugha's bow and is there to show the technical Arabic names for parts of the bow in Syrian in the 14th century.

[Bashqort]

lets make alive this topic
TZH, could you send the same picture from Weapon Enc. but in better resolution?

[Dusan]

some old ilustr.

[Bashqort]

Wow!! it is unbelievable
some of pics I've never seen before!
Could you image that one of that man could be my grand-grand-grand-grand father who was in 15th cavalry regiment at war against Napoleon (between 1812-1814) ??!!
(totally there were 26 or 29 cavalry regiments from Bashqorts, about 500 cavalrymen in each)

[Csikos Balint]

I'm looking for some information on crimean tatar arrows. I'm waiting for a new tatar bow right now and decided to make a couple of matching arrows. I found the tatar arrows in the Grayson Collection and at other sites but still have questions. Were tatar arrows barrelled? If so, how much? What kind of wood was used? What did those arrows weight? What about nocks - did they come always with self nocks?

[jack farrell]

I think that Dusan has posted pictures of Tatar arrows from the Kremlin museum. A friend was there and showed me well displayed images of those arrows. They were uncrested, long, stout, baralled shafts; reminded me of Mongol arrows, Tartars were one of the five Turkic tribes of the Mongols.

When I see an old museum arrow which is straight, I am reminded of wood split from log sections. Alternately, arrows made from shoots are difficult to make permanently straight, but are stronger for their weight than split out arrows. Shoot arrows would, presumably, be more difficult to procure in military quantities.

A split out arrow shows grain but an arrow made from a shoot hides its grain. From what one can see in a museum display, it is difficult to differentiate the two in hardwood versions. It is very easy to identify in a coniferous version, even down to the species.

To tell the exact species of wood would require some microscopic distructive test, or else a knowledge of local ethnigraphic arrow making techniques. See my posts on Genghis Khan Exhibit Houston under general discussion. -j-

[Csikos Balint]

I don't necessarily need to know the exact species of the wood used. I couldn't get that particular wood aniway if the species is Pseudotatarica Obscura or something like that But do I need a hardwood to make such a long arrow? Most arrows today are made of softwoods but the average draw weights and draw lengths are less than a tipical tatar archer would have used. My new bow isn't going to be heavy (45#) but my draw length is 34".

Arrows made of shoots are better once you can make them uniform enough. The problem is that the material is just too difficult to obtain. In old times when people had time instead of watches it was easier. They may have had grown their own arrows by trimming the right kind of trees or bushes much like basket makers do.

The barrelling of the shafts is a problem to solve too. For a start I don't know how much material should I remove. You can buy barreld arrows around here but those are tapered by 1/32" (from 11/32" to 5/16", that's 8.7mm to 7.9mm in metric). I don't think that this makes a significant effect. Turkish arrows I've seen (mostly on the net) are more dramatically tapered but those are for flight shooting.