from military museum in belgrade

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:03 am

Horn plates(Avar stile?), bows (Turkish?), arrows... You will see more then I do, and please share that with rest of us. Thanks

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:06 am

bow1-turkish, 14th century(according to museum)

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:09 am

bow2-serbian, 14th century(according to museum)

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:11 am

bow3-Turkish(according to museum)

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:19 am

Broadheads from early Serbian states Rashka and Zeta(Duklja) 10-13th century. According to museum they were poisoned with nalep (Aconitum divirgens).

Adam Karpowicz · Post by **Adam Karpowicz** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:49 am

Thanks for the pictures. The bow #2 is a typical Ottoman style bow, but could be made in Serbia. The unfinished bow #3 raises a question of bow manufacture in Serbia - perhaps the bows were actually made there? This may be an interesting area for research.

Adam

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:37 am

Unfinished! Right. I sow that that one is strange, but I couldn't understand why. Ottoman (that is more correct then Turkish, right? ) style bows came in Serbia with Ottoman Turk conquest of Serbian territories 1370-1480. After that Serbia were part of Ottoman empire until 19th century. So, Ottoman bow on Serbian territories is common. They maybe came even earlier with Cuman and other nomad mercenaries.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:20 pm

Beatiful pics Mupko ! Thats what wait from sout Slavic contry like Serbia who was so long ocupatit vith Turks ! Same i stil wait from Bulgars or Romanians archers . It is more than serious assumption , that in Serbia was bow manufaktur in this time.

Lord Ruthven · Post by **Lord Ruthven** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:13 pm

Well, I was wondering where to put this, but since it is from the lands of Marko Kralevichi (in nowadays FYROM), which was actually serbian - here it is in this topic:

St Demetrios from Krali Markovy monastery - late 14th century. Verry interesting details.

As for Bulgarian findings - there are findings of bone plates, both for syahs and handle, thumbrings and arrowheads... and that's all - there are no preserved bows, or findings of whole bows. Or at least none of which I know. There are also some paintings of warrior saints in churches (similar to this one). I'll post them in another topic after while.

Regards

Rapsod · Post by **Rapsod** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:14 pm

There are few stories about Serbian villages that made arrows for turks so why not bows. Zoran Pavlovic told me that there are documents about horn trading between Dubrovnik and Serbia.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:37 pm

Lord - this bone paltes is interesting - its probably bows from old Bulgars nomad tribes-not Otomans. Your pics dont open (?)

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:58 pm

sorry -open - omly time is needed

Lord Ruthven · Post by **Lord Ruthven** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:41 am

Dusan wrote:Lord - this bone paltes is interesting - its probably bows from old Bulgars nomad tribes-not Otomans. Your pics dont open (?)

Yes, they are definately not Otoman. Most of them are dated 7-9th c. but some are 12-13th c. Dating in Bulgarian archaeology is however something very disputable.
I will post them soon.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:05 pm

Real reconstruction old Bulgars composite bow is for Bulgars archers challenge no 1. See how much is active all Magyars team

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:12 pm

On that picture of warrior saint, like on all others, same color pattern of bow. Inner, belly side-white, and back dark-red, black, gray... Why?