New Ottoman Puta bow

Redhorse · Post by **Redhorse** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:02 pm

Dusan wrote:Mi friend have 80 lb TRH turkish bow and shoot vith him komercial wood target arrov 350m... I shoot vith Grozer Assirian 65 lb , same arrov in 280m. Somwhere in 100 lb hornbows or arrovs (or in archer shooting stile ) is wrong if shoot only about 300 m.

I agree. 100lb and 300m is not good.
But there is three things in it, archer, bow and the arrow.
A shooting machine would give better comparison. If I do shot 350 meter with my catalog arrow I would need 350fps. That would be for a 80 lb bow with a 400 grains arrow more or less impossible. It is about 110 ftlb and to get that you should need a bow that stores 140 % energy. 280 with 65 is realistic, but damn good. Or use lighter arrows. The archer can get the best out of the gear but never over 100%

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:14 pm

Yes, we measure distance by foot step

, its no very clear... (+- 10-15 m..?)

Redhorse · Post by **Redhorse** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:30 pm

Dusan wrote: Yes, we measure distance by foot step , its no very clear... (+- 10-15 m..?)

Close enough.

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:36 pm

I still need to test my hornbow at flight shooting but this is the result of last time I tried, sorry it's modern equipment but the comparison is interesting:

Bow: Bear Kodiak Magnum recurve 52" long (65#@28")
String: 14 strand flemish B50 dacron
Arrow: thin carbon 27 inches long total weight 360 grains
Shooting style: Mediterranean with tab

Max. distance: 276 meters

Same equipment with bigger and heavier hunting arrows (600 grains) will reach around 200 meters with wind help.

My guess is a lighter arrow with fast flight string will reach 350 meters maybe.

I can't wait to do some flight shooting with traditional equipment.

fusizoli · Post by **fusizoli** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:27 am

Grozer turkish bow was speciall for flight but just in materials. Arround 120 at 31 bacause that my limit in weight now with two finger draw. 14 inch arrow with a strange technic like korean do but not draw with ring. Monus is the archer and he makes the arrows too and Csaba make him speciall test bows.
The record with long arrow is 412m here with laminate Magyar form bow(not Grozer).
With war arrow (flight) min weight 50 g and min diam. 10mm near 300m on race with the same G turkish.

I have a 67#/ 28 TRH Mogul from him and stuck between 320-340 with my best 31-32 long flight arrows. The bow 90+# at 31 and 98 at 33. At 30.5 draw with 422gn easton 230 fps. so 250+ is possible with.

That TRH turkish is a good bow but not faster than my at the same weight.
He haven't made stronger Mogul than my one as I know. May it is the technological limit of this type. But I think it is one of his best bows.

Dusan that not possible with that bow if use that kind of arrow shure.

As Kviljo i ve put a lot of work in wooden bows especially flight bows and flight arrows, and next year start to make hornbows too. But Im just a beginner to making bows....not like Kviljo and I m just a freetime bowyer.
But I will have some help here in horn bows :)

Kviljo don't think it will be a fast step ;) This is the highest level of bow making and needs a lot of expiriance and innovation.

Here Paku teach us and I learn all from u guys too.

Gokmen I think for that lenght those arrows was too light. Hot and back wind is the best for flight. Sometime it gives +30m or more. Best flight arrows are hard to make and select and if got one put in the tresure box and newer use it a place full of stones ;)
cheers

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:56 pm

hai cem, can you make a presentation about youself? from your hornbow we can sure you are not a bowyer of beginer, how many year skill and where you study it , form a old turkish bowyer or some book and yourself practise,thanks

scemdonmez · Post by **scemdonmez** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:13 pm

Hello,

I was interested in Ottoman Bows when I was a teenager. I used to make self bows, but since 2003-2004 I am making horn bows. This is my hobby. I read books, Turkish old texts about bow making, but my teacher is Adam. Old Turkish texts are not enough for learning bow making. In Turkey there is not a bowyer. Since the begining of the century the Ottman bow was not made. One bow is made 1-2 years. I use original methods.

Best Regards,
Cem

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:32 am

say greet adam and cem, Best Regards

scemdonmez · Post by **scemdonmez** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:54 pm

Dear All,

I finished this bow, it is 103,5 cm ntn( not 108cm). It is covered with bark.Welcome comments.

scemdonmez · Post by **scemdonmez** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:00 pm

Another,

scemdonmez · Post by **scemdonmez** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:05 pm

Another,

scemdonmez · Post by **scemdonmez** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:09 pm

Another,

Kyudohund · Post by **Kyudohund** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:06 am

Congratulations Cem, very fine work!

Peter

redhawk · Post by **redhawk** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:34 am

Congrats Cem, very nice and serious job, that?s the way to do it.
Ha, this selfmade grooving tools are looking different, but they all are doing the same job.
Have you done some chronos? I would like every bowyer posting here should add a speed- test for comparison. Speed matters!
Michael

Kviljo · Post by **Kviljo** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:32 am

Gosh, the round belly makes the bow look so much better! Impressive stuff! How did you shape the concave horn?