Who's Bow is BEST???

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:25 pm

I?m lucky owner of one of Saluki bows. Itś Turkish hybrid bow.
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The bow looks very similar than hornbow. It has very sweet draw without any stackink and although his poundage is in child size 65 pounds, velocity with 32 gram arrow is over 200 fps. With 25 grams turkish arrow 23O fps
Bow has small handle for my hand, but it was my mistake, that I didńt inform Lukas about size of my hand. Using mushamba problem was finished.
Arrows are very fast with big accuracy and target shooting for long distances is very pleasant.

Saluki laminated bows are not replicas, but only Asiatic inspiration.

I thing, that it is impossible to compare Hungarian mass production and custom bows. It is very diferent quality and price level.

Most of Hungarians bows are optical imitation of historical bows and in the most of cases thea are copiing design for heavy bows in child draw weights. External form is more important than mechanical character. They are bows for theatre, not for shooting.

Mr. Kassaiś bows are for horse archery and for quickly shooting for short distances and some of Mr. Grozers bows have quite credible historical design, but in Hungaria there are beter bowyers but without public relations.

I had been trying several Kassais and Grozers bows. Kasais bows was long for me , but its my problem, very slow, but with smooth draw. All of them had special Kassais design- not historical and very massive siahs not corespondent with low draw weight.
From Grozers bows I was shooting last year the best was "Asyrian model" in TRH version. In 60 pounds was velocity of 32 grams arrow about 180 fps. Its quite well.
Hornbow turkish bow in 70 poudns had design as "darp bow" . Very robust sals, bash. Smooth draw , but velocity of 32 grams arrow about 180 fps. Its few for bow with this poundage. Craft level was very few.
But all these bow are very cheap and its easy to offer them. Its very good way for beginers. In Czaba offer is child turkish base bow in draw weights 25-50 lbs, and it loks very well.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:59 pm

Misa was litlle modest. From this what i know about that bow, i think , this bow was maybe pretendent to world rekord between all world modern replicas. Bow is made vithout fieberglass or carbon. Lukas sayd, that he can made him in original very short versions from 44 in (!), vith 28 to 32 draw lenght . Bow is lighter in mass than hornbow and very fast (maybe like tru hornbow) . 120 lb is no problem... Maybe first time in history modern materials can changed old natural materials. Looks very interesting !

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:31 pm

Now that is a nice looking bow. It is very different then the "Turk" design we shot the other day, and looks like a true Turkish bow. The bow we shot the other day kind of looked like a Western recurve with siyahs and a shelf on both sides.

I really like the Turkish designs of Grozer. Kassai bows all do have very large siyahs. What I like about the Panther is when it is unstrung it forms a "C" shape and has a very smooth draw.

The only Saluki I have ever shoot is the Turk model with the dual shelf and it just didn't "feel" like a traditional Asian style bow. No knock on Saluki it is just this praticular model was not what I am used to as far as a bow shoot with a thumb draw. I would have to try more of his bows to justify their higher cost.

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:38 pm

I have had the good fortune to shoot 6 or 7 different bows crafted by Lukas including one of his horn bows and they were all extremely smooth on the draw and quite fast.
For myself in any case the Saluki bows are about as good as they come. A bit spendy yes but very fine bows and for me worth the cost.
Alan

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:00 pm

I would like to try more of his bows because I really appreciate his workmanship. I strictly shoot thumb draw so I am most interested in a bow that performs with that standard. I know that many love his bows and I am sure there is a reason for their loyalty; I just did not see the performance in this particular bow/model. I also have never shoot a thumb ring with a bow that has a shelf so I might not have been getting the clean release that I was getting with the other bows.

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:09 pm

I shoot a long bow as well and use split fingers with it, but shoot the Asian style bows exclusively with a thumb ring. All of the Saluki bows that I have shot were without any arrow shelf. I do have a friend that has a Saluki Damascus with the horse bow grip and he shoots with split fingers and it performs very well.
Alan

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:10 pm

Mysa, that is a fabulous looking bow.
Alan

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:32 pm

Yes. And its probably the best bow in my life.
On June we have been visiting bogenmesse in Germany and I was a honour to shoot Saluki bows Damascus, Ibex, Scytian, Yuan, Tartar, Turkish hornbow....and Turkish hybrid bow. All bows were for German market in small draw weight (I thing, that strongest bow was 58lbs).
I had together only arrows for my weakest bow 65lbs and we was very suprized that in very short time we was capaple to hit 30cm target on 4Om.

Lukas was so kind and made for me and my friend two beautiful Turkish bows . We both are obscedant competitors in 3D Archery and on first competitions we had problem. This bow hasńt balistic curve

For maximum distance (in Czech 27m) I shot over.
I think, that this bows is good investition.
My impression is, that this new technology is shooting better, than most hornbows. Unacustomed for me is very little weight of weapon.
But it is a custom bow and if you want it, you must be patient

Comox Tom · Post by **Comox Tom** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:53 pm

This new material used in Saluki bows is interesting .

I wonder if it is a phenolic laminate?

http://www.boedeker.com/ilamg_p.htm

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:12 pm

who knows ? Only Lukas can answer. But bow is excelent. I mean that this material stop for ever using clasic polyester or epoxi laminates in Hornbows replikas .
Misas experiences is true respectable because he was mulptiple champion in 3D archerery in Chech rep.(exlusive only vith himself made wood arrows !)From this reason maybe Lukas made him (like one of fue or maybe first man in World )this bow for practis shooting. In other hand i was litlle disappointed . Hornbows maybe lost his long time stars position...

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:56 am

I'm also a fan of Lukas bows. Here are my Saluki hornbows, a Crimean Tartar and a Turkish. Both are fast, smooth, sweet to shoot and as close to the originals as possible. All of that for a high price, of course, but it's the real thing. Also, you can see Reto's trademark quiver

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:10 pm

Great looking bows and quiver. You can really see the craftmenship in those bows. They are the real deal and look much different then the hybrid I shot last week. I have to get a chance to shoot more of his "stuff".

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:36 pm

You dont shot hibrid. You dont shot replica. You shot modern fantasi laminated variation asiatic bows. Thats all.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:56 pm

What I ment was the Saluki with the shelf on both sides was a hybrid because it was suited for both thumb and finger release. I would like to try his other models because they look like the "real" thing.

The Grozer Hornbow was a hornbow made with horn and sinew not one of his laminated things. It was a nice bow and I would like to see it perform against another hornbow.The other Grozer bow was a fiberglass replica and looked exactly like a bow out of a museum.

The Kassai Panther is his creation of what Kassai believes a Magyar bow looked like, but perfroms very well. The bow is also longer than the others at 57" so it is more forgiving.

I also would like to see a Spitfire against these bows. Chris is a great craftsmen and very passionate about his bows. The Hwarang would also be an interesting match-I won't both of those bows.

Bottom line is all of these bows were fun to shoot and none wood end up on the wood pile.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:24 pm

Its look , like i always have only criticizm... but ... another mi friend buy this Grozer hornbow. Not very good bow... If you have chance shoot from real good hornbow, than you maybe understand what i mean. Misa was shoot in Grozer farm vith some of his hornbows. He sayd : I feeling like i shoot vith ice hockey stick... :lol:Ok i stop this negativizm. You pretentious was not so high in real good hornbow, than popular Kassay and Grozer mass production is good for you. good luck.