English Please

yokhua · Post by **yokhua** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:39 pm

I think lots of members in this form have the same thought. It is the basic courtesy. Many of us are from different countries and ethnic groups. But when we gather here we must show our respect to all and let others know what are we talking about. There are forums in French, German, Italian and others, But when they are here they talk in English.
Stephen! Please note if things goes like this, many will leave this form and don't want to come bake any more. It will be a great lost.

Sincerely
Jang,yuhua

Stephen Selby · Post by **Stephen Selby** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:12 am

Agreed that it would be easy for everyone if English were the only language used on ATARNet; but I don't plan to take any action against people who do not have the confidence to write in Egnlish and so write in another language.

Many traditional archers have valuable knowledge to share, although their English might be poor. I would prefer that they write in their own language, rather than remaining silent.

Arrowhead · Post by **Arrowhead** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:57 am

Everybody gets well me , and the transparent bow is mine , and I exchange the name ----Arrowhead
History is long , and the nation is multitudinous in the great empire of China . The bow is also a lot , and welcomes everybody to come to study . My English is not good , and requests everybody to forgive .

yokhua · Post by **yokhua** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:07 pm

Arrowhead:
Nice to meet you here,I'm Yuhua(育華). The thing I post is no offensive and not against anybody,just wish the best for ATARN.
It has been a long time I'm not post anything on QBQ,yet I still check the site from time to time. See everybody are all in good shape and remain their passion in the traditional archery. Though I cann't go to Bejing with you guys,I hope you have good time there.
I now have my own hornbow blog and photo album. If you like come to visit my site.
http://blog.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/hornbow
and album
http://photo.xuite.net/jang.yokhua/145151

Jang,yuhua

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:22 pm

it is real as a chinese saying<入乡随俗>，(if you go other village where has differ tradition and convention you must be obedient)

the chinese style english we post,such as you are who

if saying to some countryman and the things hapan only between countryman ,
if some word can not find at our translation softwere, for the accuracy and our countryman can know what are you said, it must be use two sort of language,our mother tongue and english,

if members know a few english or he is beginer study english , we must be allow he write his mother tongue , the big trouble is not language . it is how got more and more member at least one or two member can translat it,one day when the atarn has more member form more differ country,we will ban(or refuse) these member joined our team?also some people not good at english, they can read a few english but can not write more, is they are post some other style english for courtesy and respect to a national language?

yuhua, my best wish, let your head turn more ripe, when you decide do something or think about somethings ,what result you can got?crutinizingly and comprehensive take it, it is not all lifeing do a big boy,you are near 40 years old, i am not hope one day the big calamity will derive from your unadvised and partially and un-nous, put your viewpoint to the other direction,put your viewpoint to each side, how take it turn best,which are important, which are critical things, how prevent some unfavorable things hapen? it must be do your real enemy can help you turn more ripe

yokhua · Post by **yokhua** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:06 pm

Now you are writing in English,it is good. I think you can also improve your English skill a lot by posting articles here. And I think your English is far better then before.
You know my mother toung is also Chinese,but I still post my articles in English. Furthermore,you have to know many of the members here are from eastern Europe and their English skill are not good as well,yet they were posting in English here.
And I'm not against anyone,please note!

Jang,Yuhua

Gianrico · Post by **Gianrico** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:13 pm

I am born in Italy, I live now in Switzerland and speak mostly French, I would like to speak even a little German and to improve my English that is very poor.
The idea we have in Europe about oriental cultures and peoples is that in these cultures respect and "forms" are fundamental things. They are not "just practical" or "just useful", domined by the unique value of efficiency as we are.
I think that idea of respect and "forms" can be real if we believe in it strongly enough.

Jiao (Arrowhead), Yokhua have answered to a message you wrote, perhaps his answer was not what you expected, but he always have been correct with you. I think he just don't like to receive sarcastic remarks as an answer to his message which was *correct*. He want to be respected as anyone wants to be. Perhaps we have all something to gain following this spirit which is - formerly - deeply integrted in oriental cultures, a mix of forms, courtesy and respect for other peoples. Respect others is the best form of insurance to be respected.

Best regards

Gianrico

Arrowhead · Post by **Arrowhead** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:21 pm

大家一起，为保护地球古老的文化努力吧！
Everybody come together, work hard to protect ancient culture worldwide! [Ed. by Stephen]

Alam ed Din, Adnan · Post by **Alam ed Din, Adnan** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:22 am

!الحمد لله جيد
(thanks God, very good)

West · Post by **West** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:47 am

English may be the lingua franca of the world, but that doesn't mean everyone should learn it. I'm a student of Chinese - quite early stages - and I'm applying to universities in England and Scotland to study Oriental Studies (Chinese). It is helpful to me personally when people use Chinese, or other languages.
And when in Rome.... we are all studying oriental bows. Why not study them with the Oriental languages?

Jaroslav · Post by **Jaroslav** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:49 pm

The thing is that I actually learned english to chatter about bows on discussion forums. THis took me about 3 months hoevevre mostly from reading and watching MASH.
If I would like to learn Chinese I got to apply for university and even so many people do not have the chance.
I m pretty sure that most people can learn speak Japanese if the knew how easy is the language, but I prefer to have tutor for the first stage at least.

So sticking up to english is logical thing.

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:11 pm

Jaroslav

you are wrong! i has read some book , these book is the some chinese go japan school learning and they are write his perception about living at japan , it is so difficult to every student, perhaps,they are learning literature and indite

can you try translate some japanese here?

the part of the baleen bow
http://www.japaneseweapons.com/yumiya/yumi/

unluckily, atarn can not post japanese ,it is the result you can see
州の林 李満と言う兵法家の作ということからこのように呼ばれるが携帯用・非常用の弓である。小型で既に弦が掛けた 状態で保持されており、緊急の際に取り出しそのまま矢をつがえて発射出来る。籠弓ともいう。弓と矢は一つの入れ物に一体となり設置されてい る。 材料は弓本体も入れ物も鯨の髭（実際は歯）水牛の角、などを膠（これも鯨の髭から作る）と卵白で接着したものと言われてい る。矢は11本が収納されそのうち1本は矢羽4枚あり大きな鏃が付いている。完全に台が設置型のものも存在する。床の間などに置 いたのであろう。

例：全長76cm、幅25mm、厚さ9mm。握りは下方から32cmで中心に近いが弓は上部が大きく膨らみ、下部はすぼまっている。入れ物は箱型で真ん中に弓が入り、その左右に矢が各5本、前に矢羽4枚で大き な平鏃の矢が1本収納される。後部には携帯の為に帯に差す柄が出ている。箱は高さ22cm、横16cm、幅6・5cmの寸法で、素材は 鯨材、下部には皮革が巻いてあり、金色の漆塗り。これを床の間などに置いても装飾になると言う感じである。矢尻は3種が混ざっており、一つは平根（平）で真ん中に猪の目の透かし入り（前記の4枚羽）1本、4角尖り6本、4角丸み4本。李満弓より小型のものもある。

Alam ed Din, Adnan · Post by **Alam ed Din, Adnan** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:44 pm

For someone who learns English in 3 month trough watching m.a.s.h,
probably there isn't something such as a difficult language. However, japanese can be learned in a very systematic way by its simplified
modern japanese alphabet. Still Names will be written in Chinese characters.
I think he refered to that when he meant"easy". On the other hand, everything if easy if willpower and determination is there............................

Greetings & Salaam

Rapsod · Post by **Rapsod** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:07 am

No. Japanese is very dificult too learn. But the most dificult is writing system. They use 4 diferent way of writing. Kanji, Hiregana, Katagana and Romanji. Romanji is nothing alse but normal english alfabet and english writing system. Anybody who want to find more on Japanese lenguage can go at www.omniglot.com.

If you ask what are this small bows at bottom of page, I can ansfer. That are lady bows used in houses for lady entertainment. I have somewhere a drawing in which are rapresent couple of japanese ladies who shots with this small bows.

Alam ed Din, Adnan · Post by **Alam ed Din, Adnan** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:46 am

私は日本語を十分に調査しなかった

Greetings & Salaam

English Please

English Please

It is about respect IMHO

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