Bulgarian findings regarding composite bows

Lord Ruthven · Post by **Lord Ruthven** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:21 pm

Andrew, thanks for the information. I'm impatiantly looking forward to see this information about the bow when it's published.
As for the dating - those plates are dated 7th - 9th c.

The plates nubered 30 and 31 are supposed to be exactly bone plates from soft bowcase.
Gleb, thank you verry much for the photoes. Could you please post the link to the article, I'm familiar with Тоже Город, but I have missed this particular article.
Thanks in advance.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:28 pm

Beatiful , Gleb ! I was there (Toze forum) , But dont see this . Thank you .

Gleb · Post by **Gleb** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:33 pm

Lord Ruthven, mia culpa, the publication was on Gardarica site, not Tojzhe Gorod. It looks that that site on reconstruction now. So I can send the text and pictures separatedly. Need your e-address.

Lord Ruthven · Post by **Lord Ruthven** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:36 pm

[email protected]

Thanks

Andrew Hall · Post by **Andrew Hall** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:25 pm

Gleb, you are correct, the plates do look like the end covers. I can't seem to find my copy of an article on them to see if I was imagining some of them having handles. (I put a handle on the one I made, though from leather).

Lord Ruthven, thanks for the dates. I am interested in all the different forms of bone plates and these help to fill in one of the geographic holes.

Andrew

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:25 pm

Dusan, of course that I'm interested in Slav history. I'm interested very much, but I am just afraid that sensitive topics about nations can hurt cooperation here. If I know well, there is no much evidence that Slavs are natives of Europe, but also there is not much evidence about their coming (just one-Constantin Porfirogenit).
Lord Ruthven, it was probably selfbows that Slavs used with great success. English archers were one of the best, and English longbow is also simple weapon. But, we can not make conclusions so easy, if it is written wooden bow, let it stay wooden bow, until we know better.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:32 pm

Mupko i understand you.Maybe my post looks like sensitive nationalist screemeng , but its only mi mistake in bad english.

but in another site, if we- Slaws - dont started and litle provokate vith new historical position, who does ? Back to the bows

MupKo · Post by **MupKo** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:20 pm

Little prove about Slav archery- Jovan (Joan) Kamenijat-About Arab capturing Solun (Thessaloniki) 904. ( Written around 915.) -Niko nije veshtiji od Slovena da gadja cilj i zestini njihovih strela nishta ne moze odoleti.- (Nobody isn't more skilled then Slavs in hitting target, and nothing can't stop power of their arrows!)

correct translation: Nobody is more skilled in hitting target then Slavs, and nothing can stop power of their arrows!
Sorry for that

Hermitking · Post by **Hermitking** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:51 am

Man that bow case looks like an intelligent design...

I'll keep that in mind for future projects.

The last post confused me for it looked like it contained two cases of double negatives in the use of english. "Nobody can't...," would mean that "somebody can," or "everybody can..."

Did you mean that every one can shoot better than Slavs, or that no one can shoot better than Slavs?

Hey, I'm pro Slav if that makes anybody feel better.

jkekoni · Post by **jkekoni** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:49 am

Double negative in classic logic negates each other.

Languages seldomly follow classic logic.

The double negative is used in practical english at least for sign of strong denial. At least in americal Police series that is...

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:11 pm

In fact we dont know nothing more about slaws archery...

But history sources sayd that nomadic Avars introduce slaws soldiers to his army. Same do it Huns,Germans and oldest nomadic tribes who come to Dunai river steps.Than we can think that slaws "maybe" use hornbows- who know ?

Bulgars friendship vith slaws people is clearly visible to this days.

JJ · Post by JJ » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:18 pm

9th century yew bow fragment from Mikulcice (Southern Czech Republic). It?s basically a flatbow with a long narrow nock. I suspect the handle which is missing to have been quite thick like in the Alamannic bows from South Germany. The Alamannic people used short arrows , too ... (about 60 cm long).

I have not been able to find much information on this bow find up till now. Somebody on Atarn knows more? Where it is kept, for example?

JJ

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:17 pm

Thank you JJ

. More than this bow was still founds in Slovakia territory bone siahs plates from Avar or Huns. Many skitas bronze arrow heds, Cetic and Romans iron heads...

Bone plate vith text ! Mikulčice-Moravia(Czech rep.)

Avar bones plates- ?elovice-east Slovakia:

Nitra -Mikov Dvor arrowhead :

Arowheads from mi collection :

This bronze ar.H. are from Ukraina , but in Slovakia was same:

Ashbow · Post by **Ashbow** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:37 pm

JJ,
Regarding the 9th century yew bow fragment from Mikulcice. There is quite a similar bow fragment found in Krak?w, Poland, it?s a long fragment of the limb of a yew longbow, very similar deep and narrow nock area, two bowstring notches are present, dating about X cent.

Andrzej Abratowski · Post by **Andrzej Abratowski** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:42 pm

Two points about bow from Krakow (Wawel castle). It is quite short fragment of the limb and it is rather oval not flat in cross-section.
But the ending is very similar.

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Bulgarian findings regarding composite bows

bow case and double negatives..