bladders in china

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:52 am

http://picasaweb.google.com/jiaoyang1974/Baldders#

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:06 pm

http://picasaweb.google.com/jiaoyang197 ... 5404506466

the two small bladders long more than 10cm and about 50g each, here call it huajiao花胶, it is croaker黄花鱼，http://baike.baidu.com/view/881244.htm，the wide one same fish but call 敏胶 differ to the small two bladders, the longer bladder is eel bladder http://baike.baidu.com/view/267686.htm

the big and white, very good bladders?

JJ · Post by JJ » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:17 pm

Impressing! Nice bags...

Is it possible to obtain these bladders through you???

JJ

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:26 pm

Same question , Jiao.

Beatifull large bladers.European Archers dream...

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:16 am

yes, i deside sell them for buy them , i am in a new city and need some time for know how the money and bladders transport

Reto · Post by **Reto** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:29 am

Dear all,

Just few meters next to my home here in Shanghai on a Chinese market I can find best fish air bladders. 1 Kilo is about EUR 180. I made some glue few weeks ago - really good stuff. The Chinese use it for cooking especially for soups as ingredient and the wine industry to make good wines...

Best regards
Reto

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:09 pm

ok, i ready for sell it , if you need bladders pm me

the baldders cost will depend it's size, how many bladders in 500g,the cost of EUR 180 each bladder wight >=100g, for the best food the bladders save moro than 3 years or more the color turn deep yellow or red,the new bladders has more glutinosity damage your stomach(assimilation),but not sure it is same good thing for make glue,some seller add the chemic dye for the good yellow color, the white color seemed is good choice if it has something and, only the h2o2 for the bleach and why bleach it? in china the bladder has differ the sexuality, maybe it make the color diiffer

thanks all

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:15 pm

Thank you Reto and Jiao. But i must say- too dear for me... + post , + maybe problems vith veterinary control in Eu border.(same vith horns ! ) Maybe ,if we agree vith JJ and share this 1kg in 1/2 ?
I have some fishbladers from European fish farms . Cleaning and drayng miself - more work- lower money . But this bladers are smaler then Croacker .

you can see 3 diferent layers in each blader. 1 layer is most interesting -very fine "pearl efect" , second layer is like tendons material and 3 layer is like skin - . Every layer have own - very diferent glue quality. I dont know if croacker bladers has same layers sistem ?

From another viev , from me its better , when i know bladers condition from source to drayer end. When i interesting about croacker bladers in net , i read ,that in drying proces was bladers cooked in oil (?), than drying . Thi s was maybe problem.

Adam Karpowicz · Post by **Adam Karpowicz** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:46 pm

Some bladder material from shops is fried (presumably in oil). This kind is useless, since the tissue is degraded by heat and can not function as a strong glue anymore. It can be recognized by the brittle consistency and bubbles in the skin. The bladders we need are "air dried" or "sun dried".

Adam

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:18 am

these bladers is air dry , hard and tenacity,the oil or alum or steam or warm water is a way for the food , the alum cook for the medication in Chinese traditional medicine shop, the oil cook is damp bladder not dry and same to steam or warm water, all of them is breakable not strong in the market make ready you are easy/fast cook and eat some dry fish product, it form a large fish market near the sea, from here many fish go air plane to other china city

to dusan
these croacker bladders is one layer, what fish bladder of you show? it like the carp bladder, the pearl efect if very very hard to dissolve, the tendons material like the sinew glue(for sure you can make sinew glue?), the skin layer is easy make glue, mix them is well for the strong glue?what proportion of the 2or3 bladders glue mix?try mix the rabbit and sinew glue seemed a cheep and good choice

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:51 am

How you know Jiao, about one layer croacker blader ? Have you fresh , no dreyed blader ? Because from dreyed bladers you dont see anything. Mi bladers are from more varietes of sweet vater fishes , not only from carp. Efektivity of this 3 layers is litle another then you think. Pearl layer is best from all , and cooked very quickly. Sinew layer is very close in all data like cow sinew, and skin layer is worse of them. Mix of this 3 layers or 2 can give glue vith diferent quality.
If croacker have only one layer - this is like sinew , or pearl ?

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:32 am

dusan, i has try use small croaker blader make the glue,it is cheap, and i can find some cheap bladders,so i know it in dry or not , it is can not say what it like, the sinew and skin and bladder in damp all is white, and the crocker bladders can not use hand make 3 layers like the carp bladder,

i must to say , i hope and all hope we can got the stuff easy and cheap and more varietes for the interest(adventure) and more quality, if your stuff is cheap and good than me i rather buy it form you , but it need some law for justice competition, you can not find the carrefour put the advertisement in the wal-mart and run out the topic form my topic the bladders form china

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:27 pm

Jiao, very thank you for interesting ! I need more bladers than i have , because i have many hornbow projects . If you can find cheaper bladers (this is no matter small or longer) but no more than 50euro -1 kg , than its interesting for me. And very helpfull.Next maybe on PM.

Reto, please ,have you any informatin about European low and how solve vith this ? I assume that you have some experiences vith this .

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:10 am

the new picture link :
http://photo.163.com/photo/jiaoy7/?u=ji ... &n=30&cp=1

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 am

http://www.huaxia.com/gdtb/szgd/sbgd/20 ... 89177.html