bone bow?? Is it possible??

[mechwar]

First, i want say sorry to all people, i can`t speak english well
so, maybe someone confuse to read this post.
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I found this interesting records.
At 1933, some people found a very old tomb in north korea.
It built about 1600 years ago. (AD. 353)
At that time, our land disrupted three big country.(Go-gu-ryeo, Sil-ra, Bak-Jae) (+Kaya)
And this tomb located on Goguryeo's land.
Goguryeo was most powerful and huge country of north land.
(now, there place is north korea and east china area.)

In tomb, people founded many relics,
and especially bone bow was founded.
This bone bow constituded three pieces of cow rib,
look at the picture.
That is not a tree-based bow.
Is it possible to make???
I think it was not useful,
It looks like just a symbol or tools of ceremony(based on shamanism)

any idea about this bow?

[mechwar]

this is soldier of goguryeo in another goguryeo's mural
he take a strange shaped bow.

[JJ]

Mechwar, that is very interesting!

The illustration of the bow find shows bone slabs like they were used in composite bows of that time. Huns and other people like Sassanids used this kind of bow with long, rigid, non-contact siyahs with reinforcing bone slabs. These were glued sideways on the ears and on the grip of the bow. The bow itself was constructed of wood, horn and sinew as usual.

The wall painting shows this type of bow in braced position (only the upper half of it). It?s interesting to see that in Goguryo period this bow was used in Korea, too.

best regards, JJ

[mechwar]

here is more picture.
Actually, i wish to restoration this bone bow.
but i have no idea for making plan

[Dusan]

Mechwar, its looks like this :



If xou can see , bone plates are in many museums .

[JJ]

Mechwar, there is useful information on Hunnic-period Bows in an article by Jack Farrell (http://www.atarn.org/chinese/miran/Bows ... Miran.html)

I remember on this years WTAF Yokhua from Taiwan showing a fine replica of a similar bow from Yuan Dynasty (?), but without bone plates.

JJ

[mechwar]

thanks dusan, JJ
that's good information

[jack farrell]

Mechwar; I believe that we have met at the WTAF archery shoot in Cheonan.

Thankyou for posting on Goguryeo tomb remains. There was previously only one small illustration of two bone plates made at the #1 WTAF Seminar. It has been written many times that this type of bow (we call Hunnic bow) was so widespread that the bone plates have been found from North Korea to Scotland. This must be the bow of which they were speaking.

After the festival, four of us took a road trip which included the national museum in Gongju. These are Baekje Kingdom archery artifacts from royal tombs in that museum. Baekje Kingdom, 18 BCE-660CE, relates roughly to the Sakian period in Central Asia and a time in which the same bow design was used there.

Did you know that Koreans came to Afrasaib (Samarkand) to honor the inauguration of a new king in that period? They are depicted in distinctive costume in a wall mural.

These are Baekje archery artifacts. -j-

[jack farrell]

This Baekje quiver becomes popular long before it does elsewhere. But the points in the earlier post predate those of Asia by 500 or more years.

Artwork from Baekje shows the quiver worn on the left. -j-

[mechwar]

Hello, Mr. Farrel. Yeah, we have met in festival!!
Thanks for your information about this network and posts.

I have a plan for making bonebow.
First, i'll collect the bones from my hometown. (There are many cows)
I can't sure... really i can make this... but, i`ll try and try again

[jkekoni]

You could make bowlista from bone.

Rigid bow arms and energy is stored in sinew cables.
The original is gone from paleoplanet, but here is a picture of derivation.
(Perinnejousi and primitive acher do not delete old posts.)

http://www.perinnejousi.fi/keskustelu/f ... ow_913.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/ ... CN6108.jpg

NOTE:
Bowlista is not manuballista. Manubalista is handheld "crosbow" like ballista. Bowlista is one without cross.

NOTE2:
Bowlista is not historical name and there are no known historical references for this kind of weapon.

[redhawk]

Everybodies reply makes sense in this case.But don?t forget: it is told that there must have been bone bows in history.
According to my knowledge Jim Hamm and me have tried to make bows as a composition of buffalo- ribbon, wood and sinew. The results were not very satisfying, too much stack and slow cast.
But anyway I?m working on it. I got a very useful sounding info by a guy who knows how to make a lots of tools like spoons, combs.......etc. of bone.
He told me that it is possible to make bone more flexible by cooking it in a solution of vinegar and water. Sounds very logical, cause the vinegar is working like a descaling agent.

Michael

[Dusan]

Vinegar softing bone only in short time. All we remember this from child age :lol:If we put egg in vinegar , egg was from some time soft and you can put him in botlle . Some of us when dont like go to school put finger in vinegar and next break him . If bone lay in vinegar longer time, many calcium was lost.

[Daniel]

I've heard about bone treated with fermented milk, will that give the same effect (of temporary loose of density) as vinegar acid?

[Dusan]

I mean , that all tpic is misunderstand. Mechwar and maybe Korean archeologist wrong think, that bone plats are from bone bow...(thats hard to believe - Korea is -i hear- very "bow country ) But same misunderstand you can meat in many European muzeums. Hornbows are very offten strung in wrong direction. its visible that profesional historicians dont know nothing about this outstanding weapon . Bone bows use North American indians tribes, and Eskimos. But its only "second choise "bow.
Vith milk work , if i remember ,Redhorse. But no vith bone . He work successful vith horn.