Heavy Sin-Gi-Jeon Launch (rocket arrow)

[mechwar]

600 years ago, we had a very powerful and top secret weapon.
It called Singijeon. It is a kind of multiple rocket propulsion arrow.
According to the record, Singijoen has 4 variants. small, medium, heavy and explosive Shinkijeon.
A few years ago, We could make replica of first two variants, small and medium.
But now, finally we can make Heavy Singijeon and Explosive, too.
My university team made it. they use only ancient technics.
(gunpowder chamber is paper)
It was very Exciting News for me.
And Three days ago, I was watch this beautiful weapon.
It was test launch. it's really beautiful.
I hope to launch this arrows in 2010 archery festival.
(launch movie : http://blog.naver.com/mechwar/80093584363

[jbl]

Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.

[jiao]

it is not anything in korean is form korean, the Shinkijeon is chinese shenjijian (神机箭） like the usa Patriot missile send to there appurtenant ally country or and one day it will in korean museum and it is korean top secret weapon also include m16 or m1a1, i see the korean movie Shinkijeon, it is china first use it

you are a korean archery, you know what are korean archery 9 regulations, you need be careful in 1-5 of 9
군자의 다툼은 오직 그 자신을 바르게 하는 것

[mechwar]

jiao, you are right.
chinese made it first. and gunpowder too.
i already know you will say something about this.
but you are wrong jiao.
i don`t say it`s first. and it's different thing.
chinese doesn't sent to us any shenjijian in ancient times.
and now, they have no shenjijian blueprint because it stopped developing in long long ago.
i just want to show korean singijeon(神機箭) is more advenced and new.
it`s not a chinese. we made it a new and it was a top secret weapon in ancient korea because it`s better than chinese fire propulsion arrow.
and you also said "appurtenant ally country".
wow. it`s a bullshit. please don`t say again.

I don`t know what is your job, i think you have a wrong knowledge
chinese always assert "china always great" but it`s wrong.
you must know your knowledand anyone ge is based on china's communism educational policy. they have emphasis only make the "great china"
They use counterfeit history for education. because this counterfeit history, many races(in china) has spiritual pain and oppression problem.
they don`t know their origin and real history. they never know.
i think you are same. you said to me korean archery 9 regulations.
but you can`t say to me that. you need a deep thought about your country and your knowledge in your head.
china government cover up the truth about history as yet
and they teach manipulation history. this is very serious problems to chinese and us.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 861013.ece

[jiao]

i just want to show korean shinkijeon(神機箭) is more advenced and new,
it still is shenjijian, it is not v3 rocket or rus kaqusa rocket, ofcause today powder and rocket advenced a lot. and it is a top secret can not got confirmation and we need prove the Tungus mysterious explode by shinkijeon test

what wrong the appurtenant ally country?in old time form last qing ,ming, the korean,the Vietnam,the Ryukyu is china appurtenant ally country, form i know it only is striped-pants pay intribute , they are pay one we are pay more , and when war hapen need we help one another,like the today military affairs and government ally

ofcause you are form capitalism that all is korean and all korean is best,i an not take anythig is faultlessly or all is right all is wrong, but how and where can you say and know in my country? and how can you said there is north korea and very wild china area, there is almost closed place?http://atarn.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t ... c&start=15

[Ken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQTpmaEkMY

Same thing?

Nationalism is a poison.

[mechwar]

hehe Mythbusters... i saw that, too
that is almost same thing in a movie
but arrows not, second movie is singijeon.
not - a - shenjijian
if that's the same thing, jiao can tell us, how to make it and shenjijian's inner structure, stuff, etc...
if you have a any picture and real thing of shenjijian??? in museum??
if you have, it must be "made in korea" puhaha

some good replies are there.

[itwillbealright
No, Koreans invented the Hwacha. You're referring to the Ming Huoche. The Koreans used all of their own design as well as launching and explosion technology. The Korean hwacha was the first ever use of defensive artillery technology. The Ming Huoche was a one-wheeled light-weight weapon used offensively. The Korean hwacha was heavier, had a larger capacity, and was more accurate, precise, and deadly. ]

[Thomas Duvernay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeQTpmaEkMY

Same thing?

Nationalism is a poison.

Look at the third name down at 3:10


Let's keep nationalistic fighting out of this. I think we can all agree that the singijeon was an import into Korea from China and that Korea made its own improvements and fired them from the hwacha. The movie The Divine Weapon was mostly fictional, as movies tend to be in order to make their stories interesting.

They are fun to watch; I've seen them fired off many times.

Mechwar, who actually made the propellant tubes and loaded them for your university? Was the propellant hand-made or did it come from a commercial source? If the former, I'd be very interested in knowing the ratio they used for charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate, as there were several traditional formulas used in Korea for different things.

[mechwar]

Mr. Duvernay, thanks for your reply.
actually, I was send to you, e- mail about this. (궁도.핫메일로요)
plz, check out your e- mail.
i think we need a contact

[Thomas Duvernay]

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00796.html

Here is an article on the event, which also includes a short video.

[Mike McKinney]

Thanks for the post MechWar. Are there any close up pictures of the heavy rocket? And also what was it made of? Was it constructed of many layers of paper like a firework rocket or was it made of iron like the later indian war rockets?

[mechwar]

Good question, Mike.
I can explain about this, but...
here is the answer what you want

http://blog.naver.com/gogospace/10022527143
This is Dr. Yeonseok Chae's reserch paper in 1984.

We used korean traditional paper, Han-Ji
That image is korean language, but you can recognize each part.
Left first chamber is warhead, it separated by thick paper.
Second chamber is a combustion chamber. But it`s a nozzleless!!!
It has just cone shaped empty space for firejet.
And center circle is combustion start point.

[jiao]

in my viewpoint, the Shinkijeon(神機箭) and shenjijian(神机箭）,the name and sound same, it like ak47 has many improved in more country but the name not call same, all the shinkijeon2 or shenjijian2 or other name is good


The Korean hwacha was the first ever use of defensive artillery technology. The Ming Huoche was a one-wheeled light-weight weapon used offensively. The Korean hwacha was heavier, had a larger capacity, and was more accurate, precise, and deadly.

what is first ever use?

The Ming Huoche was a one-wheeled light-weight weapon used offensively
no, they are three ,one-wheeled and shunt-wound one wheeled and two wheeled ,

on chinese ming dynasty martial book wubeizhi:
one wheeled
http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/35XL_34.jpg
the small shoot module cell on the car,it call yiwofeng(一窝蜂），32
arrows' guide rope on one central rope
http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/kMGR_35.jpg
shunt-wound one wheeled
http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/WZ4D_14.bmp
http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/M9Fz_13.jpg
two wheeled
http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/zMj2_12.jpg
http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/M9Fz_13.jpg


about shenjian

http://imgsrc.baidu.com/baike/pic/item/ ... 55a90b.jpg
造法矾纸为筒，内入火药令满实，另置火块油纸封之一方天雨。后鐟一孔装药线，用竹为干。铁矢簇如燕尾形，未装翎毛，大竹筒入箭二矢或三矢。望敌燃火，能射百步利顺风，不利逆风，水陆战皆可用。用之水战能燔舟篷，用之陆战能毁巢穴，中毒必死,
三飞剪，明朝后期创制的飞刀箭、飞枪箭、飞剑箭的合称。因其箭头分别为刀形、枪形、剑形而得名。它们的箭杆都用坚硬的荆木制作，粗6～7分，长6～7尺；箭镞长5寸，横宽8分，能透敌兵铠甲；箭镞后部绑附一个粗2寸，长7～8寸的火药筒，筒尾有火线通出；箭尾有羽翎，以保持箭身在飞行时的平衡。此类火箭在水战时，以有枝丫之物为架，竖立于船舷木上，将箭置于架上，用手托住箭尾，对准敌船，点燃筒尾火线，将箭射出，射程可达300步。陆战时，用有叉锋的冷兵器镋钯竖立于地上，以叉锋作发射架，搁置火箭，将火箭射出。
明代时已非常完善，不仅有单支火箭，还先后出现了并联火箭、有翼火箭、多级火箭和多发齐射火箭等多种武器装备。?神火飞鸦?既是一种多筒并联火箭，也是一种有翼火箭，同时点燃4支火箭产生推力，最远能飞行300多米。?火龙出水?，则是一种多级火箭，龙首尾两侧各装一支火箭，龙腹内也预装数支火箭。发射时，先点燃首尾两侧的4支火箭，推动火龙前进。待4支火箭燃烧将完时，自动引燃龙腹内的火箭，使之自龙口飞出，继续飞向目标。?一窝蜂?则是一种多发齐射火箭，事先将32支火箭的引线全部连在一根总线上，点燃总线，所有火箭同时齐射。
这一段最为重要，比神机箭进步。早期火箭的杀伤部位就是传统的箭头，后来逐渐演化到以火药自身的燃烧爆炸进行杀伤，杀伤威力更大，此时箭体仅作为火药载体使用。火箭的发射技术也在不断进步，逐渐出现了筒、柜等发射装置以方便定位定向。明代后期，还将发射装置固定在推车上，进一步增强了火箭发射的机动性。

it is a poison arrow, also enough irruptive armor ,the guns more good from import, i will translate the cinese later

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[jiao]

[mechwar]

Oh! That's beautiful picture~ nice job.
but, we don`t have AK47
NorthKorea army just use it.

According to the record, the first chinese rocket is Bi-Hwa-Chang(飛火槍) : 비화창 in 1232(but it`s not a arrow, it`s a kind of spear, and not a paper chamber), And our first rocket arrow is a Joo-Hwa 走火 (running fire) in 1377.
We used the name "Singijeon(神機箭)" since 1448,
but chinese use this name "shenjijian(神机箭)" since about 1621 (Mu-bi-ji book 武備志 : 무비지)

In my viewpoint,,,,,,,
If those are samething, shenjijian(神机箭) must be Singijeon(神機箭)'s re-copy. And look at the middle word 机. It's the same meaning. but it`s more simpler than 機.
People always try to use more simple words for imtate or copy something.

uh.. but, it`s just MY VIEWPOINT, like you~
NEVERMIND about that