Who's Bow is BEST???

[daryush]

I forgot to tell 2 things :
1. WindFighter must be served in string-bridges area and in above-handle , below-handle area .
2. I have one more bow , a bow that I am particulary very proud , a bhutanese traditional 2 pieces bamboo bow . It's a colection bow for me , a souvenir from WTAF 2009 .

Could you post a couple of photos of the bhutanese bow please?

Thanks

[Alan Flashing]

Mysa, outstanding arrows as always.
Alan

[osmiu]

Could you post a couple of photos of the bhutanese bow please?

actually .. I can't . but i will send you a PM with a link where you find pictures of ginni's bhutanese bow , a verry similar with mine .

[Ashbow]

I just got a return message from Dr Murat ?zveri.

He confirmed my mistake about the bow on the picture I have posted, the bow is, like Daniel wrote, a Grozer Junior. But he was also kind to write me quite a few details of the new bows that are being made now in Turkey. I think that probably this information would be also interesting to others so I asked him if I could post the message here, so here it goes:

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I've had the new bow made by the Turkish bowyer. It's the bow you see on the picture below (back, in my hand), with our regular Grozer Turkish base bows (front, in the hand of Yavuz).
http://www.tirendaz.com/tr/?page_id=416
Other views of the bow are:
http://www.tirendaz.com/tr/?page_id=416
http://www.tirendaz.com/tr/?page_id=416
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The other two bows were sent by Grozer to Vsetice for testing. The Turkish Junior is a short and good looking bow but is extremely slow. This model is the one which is on the photo you showed me. It may be suitable for kids and younger archers but undoubltly it's not for adults. The other model was a recent invention which I liked better. There are no string bridges unlike the Turkish base model, a feature that I liked; and the bow's energy storing capacitiy is amazing. I have tested all the models and got their force-draw curves. The chronograph measurememts are not completed, so I can't tell you anything about the efficiency but the velocity seems to be awesome too.

So, comparing these two "adult" models, our new model ("tirendaz" is the offical brand name now) is the one which is closest to the original design. Bows between 35-50# of draw weight are very good in efficiency (Mehmet Golhan-the inventor- made a 80# prototype as well as a shorter version for horseback shooting, but I haven't tested them yet). Grozer's new model doesn't look very much like the original but the 35# prototype I have tested stores as much energy as a 40 pound Turkish base does. The energy storing capacities of Turkish base and "tirendaz" is almost similar, but tirendaz is lighter in mass, which would provide better speed (I'll tell you definetly after completion of chronograph measurements).

Murat?

I thought I would also post the link to the article about those new bows made in Turkey:
http://www.tirendaz.com/en/?page_id=295

[Dusan]

Interesting news. Turkish bowyer versus Grozer and al Hungary mass production .Maybe good for target (30m) shooting , but not to profesional flight shooting. Natural material is still advantage ...

[Ken]

Are these tirendaz bows going to be put on general sale, and if so, at what kind of price?

The two new Grozer bows that were examined and compared to the new tirendaz bow. One was the turkish junior, what was the other one?

[Ashbow]

Hello Ken,
I don't know much about the Turkish bowyer's plans regarding selling his bows, but I know one archer in Poland has just bought a bow of his making recently. I can't quote you any price either, but I hope that someone involved will join the discussion and will explain how the matter is going to develop. Anyway I'll try to find out more.

The other Grozer Trurkish (the bigger one) is also a new model, I can't see it on the Grozer page for bows, but there is one bow on his stock page, which I assume is probably the same model (more closely than the base models resembling originals, and no string bridges):
http://nomadbows.com/stock/index.php?ma ... cts_id=631

[daryush]

Thanks for the link Ashbow.

Looks like Grozer is also selling a new Persian bow. It looks like his old Mughal one did, but a little more streamlined. I'm not sure how accurate it is though, the siyahs aren't very reflexed. But when I get round to ordering my next bow it will be one to consider.

[daryush]

On another note, has anyone here heard of Tumurhuu Batmunkh? He sells modern traditional Mongolian bows, but he has said he is willing to make one-off designs too. His website is http://www.mongolianarchery.com/products.html. His true composite bow is made with traditional materials and it is the cheapest one I have seen around.

[Orda Khan]

I'm getting virus warnings from that mongolianarchery link.

[Murat ?zveri]

Grozer was so kind that he sent me one of those prototypes and I really liked it. The bow is not shown at his site yet. The energy storing capability of the bow is exceptional.

Tirendaz bows are on "filed test" for nearly one year. I am one of those who has been shooting one of the earliest bows Mehmet Golhan made. As mentioned I competed with it, a 53#@28, in Vsetice.

I agree that non of the Turkish bow replicas made of synthetic materials ever approached to the performance of an organic-material flight bow's performance. However, Mehmet has been making research about new material and using them in designs as-true-as-possible. He's selling his bows too. According to my experience it's a well-made, well finished, good performing bow. I am going to publish an article about its performance at www.tirendaz.com, as soon as we complete the velocity measurements and are able to calculate the efficiency. Until that, I attach a force-draw curve of a 40 pounder of Golhan, to give you an idea.

[Murat ?zveri]

...And here you'll find the chronograph measurements. It reveals a good hobby bow with velocities reaching 160 fps with 12 grain/pound and 180 fps with 8 grain/pound arrow weight.

The efficiency of this bow in different draw weights, f-d curves, velocities and their comparison with Grozer's Turkish base and Korean bows will be summarized in an article and published at www.tirendaz.com. I am going to let you know when it's done.

Best regards.

Murat