SALUKI HYBRID CRAB BOW

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:43 pm

Recently I have been in contact with a few different people that Lucas Novotny was making a hybrid bow that would match the performance and characteristics of the hornbow.

If you would, a couple of questions for those who might have some info in regards to this.

1. Is it possible to mimic the characteristics of the hornbow with synthetic materials?

2. Can the crab bow have the profile, measurements, length etc. with synthetic materials as the horn crab bow?

If anyone has any info on this I would be very grateful. I would like to purchase a hornbow from Lucas, but the cost is prohibitive for me to make a move without looking at other avenues.

Ive never shot one of these bows but would love to have an opportunity.

Here is a link to the saluki hybrid site http://www.salukibow.com/30.html

Thank you in advance and regards

Joseph

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:45 pm

One more point to make, these bows are less than half the cost of the hornbows.

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:56 pm

The unstrung reflexed profile of hornbows cannot be matched with synthetic materials. You never are going to see a "C" shaped unstrung bow besides the horn bows. But the hybrid strung bows looks similar and maybe the performance is close. These bows are in the experimental field but Lukas said he likes the results so far.
I want to know more about these new bows too.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:15 pm

Nice looking bows. The Scythian looks great. I bet the perform just as well as they look. From what I understand they are feather light as well.

Joe when you get one you will have to let me know:)

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:10 pm

Hey JBL,

I will for sure. Its just the cost of a horn bow from him is just so far out there for a common guy like me that if one could produce a synthetic bow that would perform close to or the same as a horn that would be amazing.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:41 pm

What I would want would the performance without the cost and the "headaches" of balancing, heating, etc...

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:02 pm

I had a big honour to shoot several Saluki bows. I don?t know anything about "Hybrid crab bow" and I thing that it isn?t in offer .
Hornbow isn?t only custom bow- it is an art and price is in accordance to this sort of bows. It isn?t as much and i think, that it is good way to spent money for realy archer.
I?m owner of little atypical hybrid Turkish bow 48"long and performance is best from all bows I had in my life. It looks very authenticaly(including celik) and D prophile of sals. Bow is very quickly . 65pounds, 212fps with 30g barreled 28"long arrow. Bow hasn?t handshock and it is whether resistant. I have been shooting from -5?C to +35?C.
Scythian is very good too, but with shorter draw(turkish bow I draw to 31"without stacking)

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:08 pm

Jamie..........I agree wholeheartedly. It would be nice to have all the time in the world and be able to do exactly what is needed with the horn bow, heating balancing etc. but Im just not in the position to do that. It is my belief that most people are not. Also, when it comes to hunting, with the temps being below zero or potentially in the 90's it seems as though the bow would be so tempermental in these varied heat conditions.

Perhaps I am wrong but some clarification would be nice by someone who knows.

That is what makes that hybrid bow so interesting. But, it will take someone to try it out.

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:18 pm

Joe,
Be patient Lukas as far as he told me said he will make a crab bow hybrid this may be what you want.

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:51 am

I look forward to the progress that Lukas has with this new line as well. He told me he just needs a bit of time to develop them, and it looks like on his site four different styles , including a crab style. I agree totally with Jose that you will never get the reflexed shape of a horn bow with synthetics nor the same performance. Tho Michal's it spitting the arrows out quite nicely. . Also as Michal said not so much considering what it is and a great way to spend your money.
Alan

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:09 am

I have a prototype mongolian hybrid, and I have tried his turkish and scythian models as well. I am happy to say he is also making some korean styles as well so I am very excited to expecially to see his manchu and crab bow designs which are very hard to reproduce with non hornbow "ingredients" without sacrificing performance.
****His turkish bow is very very fast, I shot 80 meters like it was nothing and hit the target each time in the center.
****His mongolian designs are being tweaked in his shop and are being made more recurved thus faster. I tried the pre tweaked design and I can say very little handshock, beautiful, and I outshot him with it along with the turkish so thats why I got it.
****His scythian, very exotic of course, and fast, a little more stacking than other two but barely.

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:11 am

M??a wrote:I had a big honour to shoot several Saluki bows. I don?t know anything about "Hybrid crab bow" and I thing that it isn?t in offer .
Hornbow isn?t only custom bow- it is an art and price is in accordance to this sort of bows. It isn?t as much and i think, that it is good way to spent money for realy archer.
I?m owner of little atypical hybrid Turkish bow 48"long and performance is best from all bows I had in my life. It looks very authenticaly(including celik) and D prophile of sals. Bow is very quickly . 65pounds, 212fps with 30g barreled 28"long arrow. Bow hasn?t handshock and it is whether resistant. I have been shooting from -5?C to +35?C.
Scythian is very good too, but with shorter draw(turkish bow I draw to 31"without stacking)

I dont blame you for falling for the turkish, I was dumbfounded myself!

redhawk · Post by **redhawk** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:55 am

As it is mentioned above, nobody will ever be able to fake the quality of a real hornbow.

Good bye tradition.
Do you really think that a Novottny fake is better than any other fake?
Fake is fake is fake is moneymaker.
Fake is only one possibility of reality.
Take tradition or leave it.

Michael

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:25 pm

why you need more expensive best bow? the archery is a quite deep and high difficult art, you , will be the beginer forever in the differ distance and precision and wind, is every thing we are play(like the bike and dc) need same as arms race? i believe i can use my beginer bow pk lots beginer archery use best bow, and all the fiberglass bow is expensive, if the weather is good i can shoot 300-800 arrows in one day , the bow end his life not longer than half year, as beginer a cheap wood bow enough for we useing it for differ distance and precision and wind, if you are become a good archery , that is good time buy a best bow

PjSingh · Post by **PjSingh** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:05 pm

It is not always practical to use a horn bow,By that I mean weather conditions.A good friend of mine ended up ruining a very good hornbow by shooting it in extremely cold weather,same can be said about using a hornbow in rainy conditions.