SALUKI HYBRID CRAB BOW

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:36 pm

redhawk wrote:As it is mentioned above, nobody will ever be able to fake the quality of a real hornbow.

Good bye tradition.
Do you really think that a Novottny fake is better than any other fake?
Fake is fake is fake is moneymaker.
Fake is only one possibility of reality.
Take tradition or leave it.

Michael

Sorry Michael we buy "fakes" because we cant afford a 2000$ bow. If there wasnt any "fakes" out there for people to use, no one would be doing horse archery except for people that can afford to pay thousands of dollars for a bow, there would be no tradition if the "commoners" cant keep it alive. Thats why we get a bow close to a horn bow without the cost. Its the same reason why I am getting a nissan z 350 instead of a lambourgini galladro. It may be a fake galladro, it may not be a real sports car but we still feel that we dont need to pay that much for a faster, smaller car!

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:49 pm

how much money the commoners / middle class one year got and save in us or Europe? how much money they spend for food and others in a month

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:35 am

The average middle class citizen makes 45,000 not including income tax per year with college. I dont know about the average price of living for middle class.

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:11 am

Here, you make 10,000 USD per year with some luck....

jsachers · Post by **jsachers** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:22 am

redhawk, jiao and others ??do you all wear custom made shoes? Believe me, they are the real deal: traditional craftsmanship, finest materials, longer lasting and better fitting than others. Anything else is just "fake"!
You don't? Hm, could be the reason why shoemaking is a dying profession ?
But maybe you have your own priorities on what to spend your hard-earned money. I certainly have, and as far as bows are concerned, I want weapons that I can shoot in all conditions, drag through the undergrowth and so on.
I might one day buy a real composite bow like I might buy a pair of custom made shoes, but not for everyday use, only for special occasions. And I am really glad that I can go to any shop any day and buy some factory-made good looking shoes at an affordable price that may not last forever but will serve me well for a certain length of time.

Just my 2ct.

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:14 pm

I think it is interesting about the hybrid because I like to shoot a bow in any weather and I am "lazy" when it comes to certain aspects of bow maintenance. I also don't understand why the hybrid made by Lukas would be any different than some made by other bowyers. The Spitfire is essentially a "hybrid" as are Grozer's TRH and Bio composite bows. Don't get me wrong they look outstanding in the pictures, I am just wondering what he is using differently. I know that Spitfire uses a silk polymer which is different form all other bows I know of.

I would also like to see some side by side testing of the new hybrid vs let's say a glass bow with a wood core or a real hornbow. What would make the hybrid better than glass with a wood core? I know the all glass bows (in general) do not get the performance of the glass and wood core combo. What is in the hybrid that would make it better than a glass or the other "laminates". I am just interested in that fact and at around $850 US Dollars they are not exactly for someone on a budget.

Bottom line shoot what you like and what your pocket book can afford.

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:14 pm

any one imagine you has a fake wife(woman android)?

thanks for mongolianarcher and Jos?Dom, i can got 10,000 USD per year with bad luck , no money save in one years end

Paul Slawik · Post by **Paul Slawik** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:10 pm

jbl,

I'm not sure if the material Lukas uses in his Hybrid Bows makes a better performing bow but he told me that with that material he can finally copy the shape of a true hornbow without sacrifying perfomance.

With his glass laminated models he never really could duplicate the looks of authentic hornbows because the materials has totally different working properties than horn, wood and sinew. His glass laminated Turk is a good example of that, it doesn't look like a true turkish hornbow. However, it is a great performing bow (I know that you're are of a different opinion

) because he found a good balance between the turkish bow design and the physical working properties of fiberglass and bamboo.

Many horsebow makers or "producers" make the mistake of copying the look of historical hornbows just straight off with some sort of a fiberglass/wood combo and they end up being slow and hand shocky performers. That's certainly not the case with Saluki Bows. And with the new material, you can get both the true look of a hornbow and STILL a great performing bow. I think that is the great thing and advantage about Lukas' Hybrid Bows.

Redhorse · Post by **Redhorse** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:50 pm

Most things are just better handmade and wort it. I try to do all gear I can do, never buy if I can make it. If I can't I buy it handmade if possible. I build my house, repair my car, make my horse tack and more.
My arrows I do buy, I just can't make them good enough

I did buy a browning compound and a samic skb, it took me only a year before my built bows performed better.

mongolianarcher · Post by **mongolianarcher** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:21 pm

See everyone that has ever tried the Hybrid bows will understand what me and Paul, and everyone else is thinking about Lukas' hybrid bows, cant love one till you try one!

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:10 am

Jiao,
You make a very good point. I agree with you whole heartedly.

Pjsingh, you also make a great point in regards to the weather. Where I live it 12 degree today. And I would have a hard time with a hornbow and that is why the hybrid is kinda appealing due to the fact that I hunt and shoot in the snow and very cold and would like a bow that performs like a hybrid, but would not be so sensitive.

I have been shooting my new serpentine bow and it is wood and fiberglass and it is a rocket launcher. All the bow that I can handle right now.

Here is a short video clip of it,

Please any positive criticism than anyone has would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN6524AW324

PjSingh · Post by **PjSingh** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:29 am

Parker makes some fantastic bows as well and I have been looking at the bows he makes with a lot of interest as well,I believe he has started making horn composites as well.If my information is correct Lucas navotney is using carbon fiber used by the avaiation industry to manufacture the propellor blades for the choppers.
Raven could you post a pick of your serpentine unstrung on here please.
Thanks

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:12 am

I sure will....................just as soon as I find where my daughter put it. I made the mistake of leaving it out and sure enough she got her hands on it.

But I will just as soon as possible.

By the way..................I need a bow that I can hunt with.......which means stand up to the cold that I hunted in tonight. Which was 18 degrees with blowing snow and in the thick underbrush. I need a bow that can hold up and still perform.

A hornbow requires lots of attention, which would be even more time away from the family and the kids. But, if I have a hybrid or a fiberglass "fake" then I can enjoy this style of archery and still be there to beat on the kids when they need it...............

Those who hunt probably agree, you need something that will hold up.

But that doesnt mean that I wouldnt appreciate a hornbow, just not practical for me right now. Maybe when the kids are in college and Im retired.................years from now...........

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:19 am

Ravenbows, Horn bows may require some special care but they are one of the most durable weapons out there if taken care of. Most likely outlast the fiberglass ones.
Alan

ravenbows · Post by **ravenbows** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:21 am

Pjsing, here is the pic that you were requesting.

Hopefully this works............by the way the camera was in my coat pocket:-)