Interesting Persian image of shower-shooting technique

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:23 am

Shooting with a closed quiver is a good time to hold arrows in the drawing hand. You can easily select several with the same type of head and be prepared for a rapid retreat or a sudden attack. This is a good painting of the "Parthian shot".

Gokmen · Post by **Gokmen** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:30 pm

Hi Bede

yes, the picture is a bit debatable, it is not fully clear.
Even though I believe it shows the technique we were speaking of.
If you look at the bow arm , it is fully straightened and the tip of the bow is bent forward. It seems pretty much like a follow through just a split second after a shot.
Maybe others can share their opinion too on this picture.

Anyway, regarding a historical document about the Ottomans using this technique, a friend of mine found an astonishing document where they mention this technique. But unfortunately I can't tell you more for now as my friend will publish it. He will tell us more soon.
So there is evidence

Thanks

Gokmen

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:41 am

Gokmen,
It is not unusual for bows to shown at full draw with the upper tip tilting slightly forward. In the Turkish painting, the archer could have either been pointing with his bow hand towards the target or he could have been holding the bow in the hatrah (khatrah in Arabic) follow-through position while bringing up the next arrow to shoot.

You have probably noticed that the photographs of Turkish archers in the 1930s that they hold the bow arm fully extended when they are nocking or preparing to shoot. This means that in any rapid shooting contest, they could keep the bow arm straight and minimise the amount of movement that it needed to make. There would be a change in the attitude of the arm to start the drawing process, but it would be small compared to the whole process of bringing the bow hand down to waist or chest level and a more central position.

I originally thought they started the draw that way because of the siper, but practise has shown there is no major advantage for the siper user except for lining up the arrow in the groove.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:08 pm

Litlle misunderstand text TZH. Its not KAKASLOMNIC ,but frecsa from TATRANSKA LOMNICA - Slovakia. Not Transilvania.Once i show this pic because interesting hold arows technik.

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:19 pm

You are speaking about arrow under hand holding bow?Itś very rare

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:12 am

I don't think that is an arrow under the bow. If you look closely, it is a spear thrust through the archer's chest and coming out his back. You can see the point under his elbow on the right of the picture. He is not a healthy archer.

TZH · Post by **TZH** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:46 pm

Wow... I didn't know that Kakaslomnic is in Slovakia, though a part of my family came from the old Highlands. My failure.

TZH

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:53 pm

Tatranska Lomnica - not Kakaslomnic... Its in High Tatras our Slovak higher mountains Karpaty.

TZH · Post by **TZH** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:22 am

Isn't it fantastic how hungarian mithology had influenced the art even in the slowakian mountains?

Ok, just kidding.

TZH

Szabi Nagy · Post by **Szabi Nagy** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:55 am

Dusan wrote:Tatranska Lomnica - not Kakaslomnic... Its in High Tatras our Slovak higher mountains Karpaty.

Well, not exactly. Kakaslomnic is what you now call Velka Lomnica.
Szabi

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:33 pm

Hey , Magyar boys, you try started lingvistic toponimus debate about original names ? Never been som "Kakas..." before , because we have toponim names before central asiatic tribes galoped in our country.
/ One can renames in Slavic origin half of Magyars villages and towns.../

More than magyars name , towns around High Tataras can use Germans names , because here was settled many germans millers. I mean its out topic.
Important info is - fresca was from Slovakia.

Szabi Nagy · Post by **Szabi Nagy** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:33 pm

Dusan wrote:before central asiatic tribes galoped in our country.

Sounds kinda funny here.

Dusan wrote:Important info is - fresca was from Slovakia.

Another important info is the other guy on the fresco (I can't remember the name...)

OK, don't take it too seriously.
Szabi

TZH · Post by **TZH** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:18 pm

You mean the hungarian king, Szabi?

Ok, seriously, the slaws in the Karpathians became part of the most succesful tribe-union in the Charpatian-basin. They weren't hurt (ok, they werent hurt so much) by mongols, ottomans, and could live their own little life, a big part due to the hungarian weapons. We have together a greath history of 900-1000 years. What's wrong with it, brother?? This whole nationalist (slowakian-moravian, hun-magyar) sh..... came with the french revolution...

TZH