Heavy Sin-Gi-Jeon Launch (rocket arrow)

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:54 am

据《宋史》记载:公元970年兵部令史冯继升等进火箭法。公元975年，宋军用火箭、火炮与南唐作战。到仁宗时，曾公亮等所著《武经总要》中，综述了当时的火器有火箭、火炮火药鞭箭、引火球、蒺藜火球、铁咀、火鹞、竹火鹞、霹雳火球、烟球、毒药烟球等十余种，直接反映了我国在公元10?11世纪之初，已广泛使用火器。到13世纪中叶前，开始出现金属管形射击武器???火铳。它的发明使器的发展进入了一个崭新的阶段。到14世纪初，元人在南宋发明的突火枪和火筒的基础上，进一步制成了金属管形火器。

in china song history recording the year of 970 to 975 use the rocket weapons both shoot and blast more than 10 kind weapons,in 1000-1100 the powder weapons is widely used, in 1300-1400 the guns use metal pipe， chinese song dynasty martial book of wujingzhongyao《武经总要》

据《明实录》记载建文二年(1400)，从而可借助风力增大飞行高度和距离。燕王朱棣与建文帝战于白沟河，而且使火箭具有一定滑行能力，曾使用过?一窝蜂?，实行多发齐射。

in china ming history recording 1400 the war used yiwofeng(http://hfsword.com/bbs/attachments/kMGR_35.jpg)

1.战车的重生　　战车鼎盛于春秋战国时期低落也是在这个年代，到了明朝战车开始被沿用于运输。洪武五年（1372年），山西 河南首先造独辕车 800 辆，永乐八年（1410年）北征时又造武钢车3万辆， ?以运粮响?自英宗正统十二年（1447年）大同总兵朱冕等疏陈战阵之法请选小火车850辆开始，山东 河南开始相继制造，?以备战车?

the war car start at china waring time and rebuild in ming 1372,1410,in 1447 make the small one wheeled car for load and shoot the powder weapons

公元1450年，兰州守备李进等人发明制造了独轮火攻战车。据史籍记载，该车?上施皮屋，前用木板，画兽面，凿口，置碗口铣四，枪四，神机箭十四，树旗一。行为阵，止为营??

in 1450 the commander of china gansu province invent the one wheeled war car load the the shenjijian

If those are samething, shenjijian(神机箭) must be Singijeon(神機箭)'s re-copy. And look at the middle word 机. It's the same meaning. but it`s more simpler than 機.
People always try to use more simple words for imtate or copy something.

in old chinese word the 机is機, today taiwan and hongkang use it , the 机is china simpler word

Thomas Duvernay · Post by **Thomas Duvernay** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:09 pm

Technology came from many sources.

Korea received its black powder technology from China. Over the years, Korea refined it to its own use.

Did you know that in the 17th century China bought their matchlocks from Korea because the quality was very good? Where did Korea get their matchlock technology originally? Japan. Where did Japan get their matchlock technology originally? Portuguese sailors. However, Korean matchlock technology didn't improve until they came into possession of Dutch matchlocks. So, Chinese matchlocks from the 17th century were Korean-made, but based upon European technology.

It's funny how many things come around full circle.

Mike McKinney · Post by **Mike McKinney** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:17 am

Thank you for the prompt reply MechWar!

That Nozzleless design is most unusual. All rockets I have seen of this construction were either had a clay nozzle or had one formed by choking the rear end of the case.

Mike McKinney · Post by **Mike McKinney** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:26 am

Thomas Duvernay wrote:Technology came from many sources.

Korea received its black powder technology from China. Over the years, Korea refined it to its own use.

Did you know that in the 17th century China bought their matchlocks from Korea because the quality was very good? Where did Korea get their matchlock technology originally? Japan. Where did Japan get their matchlock technology originally? Portuguese sailors. However, Korean matchlock technology didn't improve until they came into possession of Dutch matchlocks. So, Chinese matchlocks from the 17th century were Korean-made, but based upon European technology.

It's funny how many things come around full circle.

A very good point Thomas. Another good example of this would be the manufacturing techniques used to produce Japanese swords i.e. folding the steel and differential tempering. These techniques both originated in China. Indeed what we call a samurai sword today evolved from a type of dao that was used during the Tang dynasty in CHina and the Three Kingdoms Period in Korea. The Japanese name for this weapon was Chokuto

jkekoni · Post by **jkekoni** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:56 am

Zen bodhism and bonsai trees are also from china.

I think the kyodo bows however are original Japanese invention.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:27 pm

We as people always seem to need to assign the earliest origin of an invention to a particular place or person. No invention happens in a vacuum. Most are just slight improvements on another commonly known idea.

This is just slightly off topic but Andrew Hall has sent me information about laminated bamboo bows being found in 5-3 C BCE ( Warring States) tombs in China. But how could one definitely know that they were invented there (There was no country of China back then anyway) since Chinese have always been willing to assimilate technology of other cultures?

Nor did Japanese invent asymmetry in bow design as any student of the Hunnic bow can demonstrate.

Therefore to describe the yumi as unique to Japan is not exactly accurate. But of course, I love the shape anyway. =j=

Mike McKinney · Post by **Mike McKinney** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:18 am

Hear is another youtube video on this subject. Its all in korean though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBD6W2X2v7w I would klike to try making one of these fire arrows myself but doing so would likley cuse me to lose a finger or two or end up in jail...

mechwar · Post by **mechwar** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:49 pm

Yeah.. that is pretty good video,
It is a documentary about korean's first rocket arrow.
i want make this, too..
but.. it`s very dangerous work.

Be careful.... and good luck

Heavy Sin-Gi-Jeon Launch (rocket arrow)

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Transfer of technology

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