Interesting Asiatic Bows in Russian Collections

[Andrew Hall]

Dusan, The cave bow on page 7 is the smaller of the two Moshcheveya Balka bows. I believe the bow is in the Krasnador collection (inventory number 5241).

Andrew

[Dusan]

Thank you Andrew. I read about two bows but never seen second. Anyvay i am lucky that found this pic.

[Dusan]

Another "giant" turkish bow. Kevskij muzei - Russia


















Looks like some soldiers, tribes -maybe janissarians need from bowmakers longer bows...

[Dusan]

Chazars :

[Bashqort]

Bashqort, The quiver and bow case were the first tip
I would not be surprised if other Turkic groups had these quivers, bow cases and bows. Why not? Kazakstan is a landmass larger than Western Europe.

yes, exactly, because we have the same in historic museum in Ufa, capital of Bashkortostan. Usually, nomads had unic things, that never repeat, otherwise it means mass production, thats why i think that this stuff may be chinese origin, we know that kazakhs bought archery equipment from Bukhara, China and from bashkirs, thats why i am interested in origin of these things....ee, in Istanbul, near the panoramic museum in cultural park (outside of walls) you can find copy of this quiver in bashkirian house.

[Bashqort]

Another "giant" turkish bow. Kevskij muzei - Russia
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why they wrapped leather on string??
might be that this bow is some kind of mogul (hindistan) origin?

[Dusan]

Wraping is made by stupid historicians from museum. Maybe see some of magyars modern replicas and think that this wraping looking more "real".

[jack farrell]

Bashqort; It is hard to speculate about the origin of things without handling them, which we can hardly do, so theories must do for now. The background that I have seen in Kazakh leatherwork is a group of very small circles in a single stamp punching down the background.

I saw this on items other than quivers. These items look authentic because of the unusual shape. They look just right.

Dusan, you should try to find information about the bows, the Buryat bow and this latest one. Provenience is everything if we are to learn something.

Bashqort, it does have an siyah angle and tip which remind me of Sind. Wish I could read the patterns of the cartouches. Have you seen these before? Maybe in the Grayson collection?

[Dusan]

Jack, i will try this everytime, but most pics are only ilustration in Museum sites , or fotos from "historician " fun only vith museum name- where he shot pictures. This guys was most interested about metal armory than bows...All what i found around pic i wrigh here.

[Dusan]

Maybe known drawings , but maybe help vith discusion about handling skitians bows. Here is clearly visible :



Not very long draw- about 60 cm ?




But here is long draw, but this is Kimerian archer...

[Dusan]

Archeo founds diferent tribes : Ananinskaia cultur



Sarmatians:



Sauromatians :



Zolnyj kurgan- Simferopol - Kimerian :



Kimerians :



Skitas :



Skitas arrowheads :

[Dusan]

New burjat bowmaker Basrgadai Batozargalov. Tradition no death. In article is short video. Second word near pic...

http://chita.rfn.ru/region/rnews.html?id=21815&rid=973

[Dusan]

Interesting old bow in Ukraina- Zaporozie Militari museum



China bow in Samara Museum 18 c.




Cherson , Kairka village archeological founds from 13-14 c. kurgan vith composite bow parts:




Arowheads from Kulikovo pole : big batle place...



Reconstruction kulaj tribe warrior - early iron age - Siberia :



Odyseus and Diomed capture Dolon in dark forest. Lukanskij Museum of vase and glass art. Its vasa from vino nd water measur 410 -400 b.c.



Russian warrior right and asian warrior left - not very diferences isnt it ?



Kirgiz arrowheads founs :



Uzbek :

[Jos?Dom]

Dusan, very interesting pictures, especially Scythian stuff according to Greek art. What's your source? Seems to be a Russian book.
Thanks for sharing.

[Jos?Dom]

These are supposed to be Amazons