350 lbs Composite-Recurve Bow

[TheAzn]

Can somebody here create a 350 lb composite-recurve bow with an adjustable 4-6 inches brace-height and 26 inch max draw-length for me, please? With a special student discount if you would be kind enough(free of charge)
I may be a student, but I also have some time for a hobby and I have become obsessed about wanting to know about the performance of some weapons. Rightfully, you should be paid, but I don't have a lot of money to spare. Clearly crediting you in my experiment is about the only thing that I can pay you with.
I'm not having high hopes up for this one though; I am just asking around just in case there are someone out there who can help me.

Thank you

BTW- Yes, I am aware about the dangers of dealing with high poundage bows; I guarantee you that I will take precautions when using this piece of technology.

Edit: BTW, yes this is for a crossbow.

[Uli]

who did use such a - weapon of mass destruction ?

[osmiu]

who will shoot this bow ? or what ?

[KenH]

That's not a bow - that's a siege engine. I doubt anyone, anywhere in history has made a 350# draw hand held bow. Go to the junk yard and get a couple of leaf springs if you want that sort on nonsense!

What an arrogant American! You disgust me! I am ashamed to be a citizen of the same country as you. How dare you come to ATARN out of nowhere and ask someone to spend the hundreds of hours necessary to create a bow and then give it away. You have done nothing to warrant such a princely gift. You have contributed nothing to this organization to warrant such a gift.

You're just saying "Give me!" Shame on you!!!!!

You say "I have become obsessed about wanting to know about the performance of some weapons...but I don't have a lot of money to spare."

[TheAzn]

For those who are confused, I apologize for the confusion. Yes, this composite-recurve is for a crossbow.

That's not a bow - that's a siege engine. I doubt anyone, anywhere in history has made a 350# draw hand held bow. Go to the junk yard and get a couple of leaf springs if you want that sort on nonsense!

What an arrogant American! You disgust me! I am ashamed to be a citizen of the same country as you. How dare you come to ATARN out of nowhere and ask someone to spend the hundreds of hours necessary to create a bow and then give it away. You have done nothing to warrant such a princely gift. You have contributed nothing to this organization to warrant such a gift.

You're just saying "Give me!" Shame on you!!!!!

You say "I have become obsessed about wanting to know about the performance of some weapons...but I don't have a lot of money to spare."

Woah, hold on there. I do realize that people should be paid. This was why I used the word "Rightfully"; I am well aware that bowyers should be paid for the hard work that they had performed.
This is why I am just asking around; I am not forcing people by saying things like "Give me!".

[jack farrell]

AZN; Why not start with a miniature crossbow and use it as a prototype to work your way up to the big boy? I have shot a #400 crossbow and it is a fearsome thing. I cannot see providing such a thing to anybody. I am sure you understand.

[TheAzn]

AZN; Why not start with a miniature crossbow and use it as a prototype to work your way up to the big boy? I have shot a #400 crossbow and it is a fearsome thing. I cannot see providing such a thing to anybody. I am sure you understand.

Thanks jack. That is a good idea.

[Stephen Selby]

Can somebody here create a 350 lb composite-recurve bow with an adjustable 4-6 inches brace-height and 26 inch max draw-length for me, please?

Where did you get this specification from? Did you read that someone shot bows like this?

[Bede]

Stephen,
I did some research into the maximum weight a person could draw with both feet and both hands relating to flight archery. Later I discovered that there are Han reliefs of soldiers cocking crossbows the same way. Depending on the weight equivalent of the measurements in some of the Han slips found on the Western end of the Great wall, there are records of crossbows of that weight range. Obviously a bow that requires both feet and both hands to cock would not be suitable for open battle, but it would be suitable for wall defence and use behind defensive structures like field fortifications.

I remember you discussing some elaborate methods for groups of soldiers to keep a stream of cocked crossbows coming forward to the front line.

[Stephen Selby]

Noted, Bede; but TheAzn seems to be looking for a conventional composite bow...

[Bede]

Stephen,
The heavy bows I read about were all military bows in use on the Great Wall. As I wrote, there has to be some restriction on how they were used.

Crossbows were also used for hunting and home defence according to one Ming text. it specifically referred to repeating crossbows as suitable for dealing with burglars.

I remember from some of your research that the ability to cast the elaborate bronze locks was lost after the Han dynasty and periodically rediscovered. Warring States and Han dynasty crossbow locks are considerably over engineered. I think I read of a replica being used with a ballista on one occasion.

In the other thread on this subject you illustrate a figure with a leaf spring crossbow. However, in surviving Han tomb models of watch towers, the bows are usually composite and large. I have not seen any studies of the efficiency of the leaf-spring bows, but I doubt that they would be comparable to good composite bows. The surviving Korean crossbow laths prove that a bowyer need not use expensive horn for the belly. Again, I have not seen any reports on testing replicas of these bows either.

[jack farrell]

The bows and arrows museum near Seoul is just full of reproduction crossbows powered by composite bows. These were made by living treasure status craftsman reproduced from Korean texts. Find their web site.

[Stephen Selby]

I remain confused about what the originator of this thread was after. Meanwhile, I have no problem with the idea the crossbows were pulled 350 pounds or more. Also, I am sure that many were made with a horn/sinew composite prod.

But why? Difficult to maintain; sensitive to damp and temperature... Crossbow prods don't really need to be pulled back far: almost universally the length of stock was equal to the distance between the prod tips and the prod was mounted at the end of the stock. That's not much of a draw and in later times, a self wood prod or bamboo leaf spring prod worked fine. Also although the watchtower crossbowmen are indeed armed with crossbow prods well set-back at the centre, all the actual Han crossbows I have seen had an aperture to take the prod that was rectangular.

I guess this has got off the original subject of the post. I'll split it later...

[jack farrell]

Azn states that the composite bow is intended for a crossbow.

Azn, a little time researching will save vast amounts of time on R & D.

[TheAzn]

Stephen, I have specifically mentioned, sometimes later in this thread, that this would be for a crossbow. I apologize for the confusions that I have caused. I will put the edit in the OP post.

Azn states that the composite bow is intended for a crossbow.

Azn, a little time researching will save vast amounts of time on R & D.

What's R&D?
And BTW, I have done tons of research. If I were to have found this forum much sooner(this forum does not turn up in Google for some reason), the vast amount of time that I have been researching would have beens saved. However, of course, researching has its positives; this is why I know exactly what to ask for.