Jack Farrell's Subeixi Bow Reconstruction
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dimensions
Dear Jack
Excellent craft!!!!,
wonder if you could provide some dimensions (about the wood core thickness and width (regarding the buckling stability problem, i had recently failures in an ash bow that reversed every now and then!)).
Thank you Jack, keep us posted please!
Excellent craft!!!!,
wonder if you could provide some dimensions (about the wood core thickness and width (regarding the buckling stability problem, i had recently failures in an ash bow that reversed every now and then!)).
Thank you Jack, keep us posted please!
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Outlaw; see this page for the plans.
http://atarn.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t ... c&start=90
I have to chuckle wondering if there is a mathematical formula which can describe this bow's workings.
http://atarn.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t ... c&start=90
I have to chuckle wondering if there is a mathematical formula which can describe this bow's workings.
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Of course I have begun shooting this bow but with a very short draw. The place where I have gripped feels like a sweet spot, but the main grip lays below this spot. And since I (probably erroneously) made the lower limb similar in dimensions as the upper, and gave it a head start with the extra grip material below, it seems like the upper limb is doing most of the bending.
Since then, I have induced some small amount more bend to the lower limb.
The overall bow is a bit unstable but probably needs more curing. It is also very easy to correct, like a piece of wire. All the parts do bend but mostly in the grip and deflexed part of the limbs.
It will be too strong for me to draw fully. The exhilaration is blissful. Advice?
Since then, I have induced some small amount more bend to the lower limb.
The overall bow is a bit unstable but probably needs more curing. It is also very easy to correct, like a piece of wire. All the parts do bend but mostly in the grip and deflexed part of the limbs.
It will be too strong for me to draw fully. The exhilaration is blissful. Advice?
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Great job Jack, congratulations. The bow looks a bit unbalanced, but I am sure the originals could be as well. I noticed in the originals the lower limb was more bent than the upper, so I gave the lower limb more deflex in my replica from the start. I think your bow may come a little lighter weight than mine, because the outer limbs are straighter, which effectively lengthens the bow for less draw weight (at the same cross-sectional dimensions of limbs). Plus the humidity and heat do not help (how can you survive there?!). 70% humidity is near-borderline for horn bows...
What is the mass of the bow?
Adam
What is the mass of the bow?
Adam
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Adam; The winter is very nice here. In the summer, a vacation helps, to a cool place, like Canada! 556 grams weight. Is that heavy? How about yours?
Cem; I would say it is not stable, but there is time yet. It is hard to keep straight. Interestingly enough, the string absolutely will not fall off because of the deep grooves.
JJ; the picture is at 90 degrees. Looks like an illusion but is true.
In a way it is successful because I am able to shoot it and can learn about the feel and maintenance. I would prefer the lower limb bent more.
Cem; I would say it is not stable, but there is time yet. It is hard to keep straight. Interestingly enough, the string absolutely will not fall off because of the deep grooves.
JJ; the picture is at 90 degrees. Looks like an illusion but is true.
In a way it is successful because I am able to shoot it and can learn about the feel and maintenance. I would prefer the lower limb bent more.
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Jack,
You have a very good shape in the bow as you draw it. There are so many Greek depictions of this type of bow on vases that looked poorly drawn until you see a bow like yours and realise that they really look that way.
Your comment about the security of the string is very important because many later artistic depictions of bows show the strings in all kinds of positions. Your reconstruction shows that these artists had probably never saw a strung bow unlike the Greek vase painters.
You have a very good shape in the bow as you draw it. There are so many Greek depictions of this type of bow on vases that looked poorly drawn until you see a bow like yours and realise that they really look that way.
Your comment about the security of the string is very important because many later artistic depictions of bows show the strings in all kinds of positions. Your reconstruction shows that these artists had probably never saw a strung bow unlike the Greek vase painters.
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Adam: your bow is with me and has not left the dry room! It hasn't stopped raining here since it arrived. Maybe this is the curse of the Taklamakan desert come to haunt me. But I'm getting proper, deerskin rawhide strings of the correct length made for it and all my other close-reproduction bows.
BTW, folks, I have located a good maker of rawhide (deer skin) strings with loops for those who want them. He will make them to your spec (total length and loop size.) The loops are spliced, not knotted. Jack: if you want one for yours, send me an email or PM asap with the measurement, because I can get it mid-June when my wife is in Peking. Would not be expensive; but I haven't got a price.
S
BTW, folks, I have located a good maker of rawhide (deer skin) strings with loops for those who want them. He will make them to your spec (total length and loop size.) The loops are spliced, not knotted. Jack: if you want one for yours, send me an email or PM asap with the measurement, because I can get it mid-June when my wife is in Peking. Would not be expensive; but I haven't got a price.
S
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