Help for categorizing these bows

hcspng · Post by **hcspng** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:02 pm

I take pics from a topic in primitivearcher.com.
could anyone please tell which kind are they!(From first,pic up to down)
Is fifth one a chinese kind and is it like Sassanian bows with with long syahs?

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:54 pm

Looking at the first picture, I could say:

1-Scythian/Subeixi
2-Long Turkish or Persian
3-Same
4-Egyptian
5- Manchu/Qing
6-Turkish
7-Crab bow

I'm not totally sure and some bows might be a mix of styles. I know people here knows a lot more than me.

Stephen Selby · Post by **Stephen Selby** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:37 am

I agree with JoseDom; though they are just similar in appearance; but not similar in construction to those types of bows.

S

Patrick Menzies · Post by **Patrick Menzies** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:47 am

You could just ask the guy who made them since he's hardly making it a secret.
I'm not sure how different in construction they actually are from ALL of the originals.
Some of them look pretty close.
They are all true composite construction.

jkekoni · Post by **jkekoni** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:45 am

1. Not suibeixi (may trying to be tough), fantasy design.
2,3 (or burjat?)
7. Manchu/Qing more than crab.

Zoran Pavlovic · Post by **Zoran Pavlovic** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:09 pm

jkekoni wrote:1. Not suibeixi (may trying to be tough), fantasy design.
2,3 (or burjat?)
7. Manchu/Qing more than crab.

I am in agreement with Jose and Stephen. Also, scythian one can be altered schytian bow.
2,3 in regards to bigger reflex of the limbs, longer ears and V spliced grip of turkish/crimean manner i could never say it is Burjat bow. It could be perhaps heavier turkish war bow

KenH · Post by **KenH** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:09 pm

If I remember right that s a photo by James Parker of Huntworthy, and the types were explained later in the post. Just go to www.huntworthyproductions.com and drop him a note. He doesn't try to make exact replicas, but he makes some very beautiful and functional bows "in the style of" this or that culture.

Most shooters don't care if a bow has exactly the same number of strands of sinew or thickness of horn as a particular bow dug up at a particular site. They don't want an exact replica. They want something that looks pretty darn close to some of the originals, and shoot well.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:15 pm

I jump in primitivarcher and look at "composites" . Realy talented man. What is more interesting ,he post his "korean hornbow" too. He know how good looking good reflexed hornbow

I think -this work is nice example- more than others - how Adams book can working ...

jkekoni · Post by **jkekoni** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:52 am

KenH wrote: Most shooters don't care if a bow has exactly the same number of strands of sinew or thickness of horn as a particular bow dug up at a particular site. They don't want an exact replica. They want something that looks pretty darn close to some of the originals, and shoot well.

That is true. Somehow most of the bows in here are more or less replicas of some historical bows. Most wood bows in PaleoPlanet do not try to mimic any historical example.

I do not know why is this so. I would assume that because of making horn bow takes more than 10 times the effort of making wood bow has some part in this play.

redhawk · Post by **redhawk** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:25 am

jkekoni, I disagree a bit.

the final design of a wooden bow is depending on the original natural growing of the stave. So there are basic design- principles that have to be adjusted to the stave. Horn- bows have to be much more calculated for to be effective. That?s really a very different kind of approach to the same matter: building a bow.

Yes hornbow- making is more effort. But I think to make an excellent selfbow you need a lots of years of experience.

Michael

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:48 am

Only very fue times i can agree vith redhawk- now i can.

jkekoni, looks you dont understant hornbows basic sence . I am -because mi profesion - maybe more free soul . If i can , i would experimenting and no -like you said " mimic any historical example".
But iam sure - WE CANT do this ! To this time when we can repeat all old records. Hornbows masters in looong historie try , experimenting , teach from his bad results and slowly go to the "ideal" construction vith maximum efectivity !
Every your step left or right in construction change efectivity - evan in this lightweight "children"bows.

Like Otomans give name for longer than normal size (42-45 ) "bol yay" - loose fit -(Adams book)

robustus · Post by **robustus** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:52 pm

The bows viewed belong to me. I have over 20 in the works. Here are some with the sinew applied and in the seasoning stages. --james

jbl · Post by **jbl** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:40 am

James great work!!!! The young uns are getting big.

Adam Karpowicz · Post by **Adam Karpowicz** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:23 am

Great work James, and I like you do not hesitate to experiment with designs. The kasan-tip transitins could be a little less thick though in some of the bows...

Adam

jkekoni · Post by **jkekoni** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:10 am

Over full circle bow