New bows from Kaya in 2011

PjSingh · Post by **PjSingh** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:41 pm

if anyone is interested in bying the Kaya korean it is available from Andover archery $245.free shipping.It is available on ebay by them and the place is owned by the som of the man working at greattree.They will also be getting the new modles.

WarBow · Post by **WarBow** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:34 pm

PjSingh is correct. Andoverarchery has very good price.

WarBow · Post by **WarBow** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:39 pm

Has anyone used the KTB and the Khan model to hunt yet?

Angela · Post by **Angela** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:29 pm

Hi,
the "Dong Yi" is more or less what I've been waiting for years for - although I've just bought a biocomposite Scythian, I'd certainly try out the Dong Yi. However, I can only find it in 40# or upwards. I find that a bit much for shooting from horseback, at least for me and most of my colleagues over here. My Wind Fighter was described as 35#, has an actual drwa weight of around 32# at 28". Does anyone know if one can get the Dong Yi in 30#-35#? If so, where (because everyone seems to have it only in 40# and above)?
Thanks!

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:59 am

Angela wrote:...My Wind Fighter was described as 35#, has an actual drwa weight of around 32# at 28". Does anyone know if one can get the Dong Yi in 30#-35#? If so, where (because everyone seems to have it only in 40# and above)?
Thanks!

Bow type Kaya Dong Yi (biocomposite) makes sense from 40 to 45lb and above. 35lb Wind Fighter for these purposes must suffice. However, I do not understand the importance of the bow weak (less than 35lb) for shooting from horseback. Such a bow like an enemy just tickled ....

Angela · Post by **Angela** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:10 am

jchocz wrote: However, I do not understand the importance of the bow weak (less than 35lb) for shooting from horseback. Such a bow like an enemy just tickled ....

Do you shoot from horseback?

daryush · Post by **daryush** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:12 pm

Angela wrote:
jchocz wrote: However, I do not understand the importance of the bow weak (less than 35lb) for shooting from horseback. Such a bow like an enemy just tickled ....
Do you shoot from horseback?

I do, and I can say that 65 lb is comfortable off horseback, 80 lb is doable. 80 lb will probably become comfortable after some more months of training.

Angela · Post by **Angela** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:43 pm

daryush wrote: I do, and I can say that 65 lb is comfortable off horseback

I'm afraid you can't generalize that. Of all the horseback archers I know, 95% shoot 35# or under, because it's simply not necessary and is bad for technique. We met many international archers at both EOCHAs (from Mongolia, Hungary, Japan, South Korea etc.) and I didn't see any particularly strong bows (we did a lot of testing each other's bows). As far as I know, Lajos Kassai does not shoot particularly strong bows either. A friend of mine whoo was at training camp in Hungary said that on the first day, they had to exchange their normal bows for 25# training bows to improve their technique. If someone shoots 70# off horseback without ruining his style or shoulder joints, be my guest, but I can assure you that the majority of horseback archers and trainers in Germany feel it is contraproductive to shoot bows over 40# from horseback. Even those who have muscles like weightlifters and could shoot 90# if they wanted.

However, we seem to be getting off topic here: If we want to discuss this further, we should perhaps start a new thread.

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:18 pm

Angela wrote:
daryush wrote: I do, and I can say that 65 lb is comfortable off horseback
I'm afraid you can't generalize that. Of all the horseback archers I know, 95% shoot 35# or under, because it's simply not necessary and is bad for technique.

Bow Kaya Dong Yi is a beautiful bow. That is the reason for buying. Dong Yi to 35lb but bring no difference to the Wind Fighter 35lb ..

My comment about the absurdity of the weak bow when shooting from a horse .... with little bow is just playing the shooting from a horse. It is not at all in dealing with real conditions. Here it was important to shoot down the enemy. But I understand ...

Beautiful woman shooting a horse - it's an experience. It's attractive. But it does not correspond to reality.

Angela · Post by **Angela** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:31 pm

jchocz wrote:with little bow is just playing the shooting from a horse. It is not at all in dealing with real conditions.

I'd like to see you tell Kassai or other very successful horseback archers that they are just playing shooting from horseback

Now seriously: Horseback archers in ancient times may have shot stronger bows. You can't know exactly, because not very many bow remnants have been so well preserved so as to allow an accurate estimation of draw weight, even if they did, these very few remains cannot reflect a complete culture. I can tell you one thing though: I'm a bioarchaeologist, and have seen quite a lot of Scythian skeletons and mummies (both real, images and radiological data). If someone shot bows of very high poundage, you would expect to see very prominent tendon attachment sites (entheses) around the shoulder girdle and thee upper arms. I didn't see these in any of them, although you could see the traces of a lifetime on horseback in the bones ("rider's facets" on the femoral head). So any "reports" on the strength of their bows are legend. So none of us can say for sure what the real, everyday life and war conditions during Scythian and Hunnic times were.

But you can assume that they spent much of their day practicing, whereas most of us have other professions and shoot from horseback for sport. We don't have to pierce an enemy's armour, and we cannot practice archery for 10 hours a day so as to be able to shoot 80# bows from horseback without risking our health.

Beautiful woman shooting a horse - it's an experience. It's attractive. But it does not correspond to reality.

I hope you mean shooting from horse

If you mean women didn't shoot from horseback, that's very probably not correct either. But this is the wrong thread for that - if you want to carry this discussion on further, perhaps you should open a new topic.

daryush · Post by **daryush** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:41 pm

Angela wrote:However, we seem to be getting off topic here: If we want to discuss this further, we should perhaps start a new thread.

A new thread sounds like a good idea, although I recall a similar discussion taking place some months ago (I hope I'm not imagining it!) - about poundages, that is...

Angela · Post by **Angela** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:54 pm

Sounds good - if you find it, perhaps you could give me the link, I will have a look later too.

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:20 pm

Angela wrote:...I'd like to see you tell Kassai or other very successful horseback archers that they are just playing shooting from horseback

Now seriously: Horseback archers in ancient times may have shot stronger bows...

But you can assume that they spent much of their day practicing, whereas most of us have other professions and shoot from horseback for sport. We don't have to pierce an enemy's armour, and we cannot practice archery for 10 hours a day so as to be able to shoot 80# bows from horseback without risking our health.

So once again ... For the purpose of shooting from a horse, and the requirement to present sufficient 35lb Wind Fighter. But I understand your focus sport of archery from the saddle. Kassai is definitely a good archer. His courage to pursue a combination of archery admire. I like that the dedicated and women.

Put figure (dummy characters) into a sweater and winter jacket. Then try to ride on horseback with a bow this overshoot to 35lb. It shows you how it corresponds to reality. The figure will probably look like a hedgehog without penetration of arrows in the figure.

That's why I wrote this is a game ... But it is a nice game.

Angela · Post by **Angela** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:51 pm

Sorry, can't agree with that. If the bow is fully drawn and accurately shot, a 35# bow can do plenty of damage, especially with arrows with hunting tips. Such a combination could go through more than just a winter jacket, believe me... Better a 35# bow drawn properly than a 60# drawn just 20", because that person can't handle it from horseback but wants to shoot a strong bow because he thinks it's sissy to shoot 35. And in the worst case, such a scenario can be potentially risky for spectators. Seen it all before.

That's why I wrote this is a game ... But it is a nice game.

Yes, it is a game. So is any kind of historical reenactment. No matter how much effort you put into your clothing of equipment, you are still playing. You don't have to kill anyone to save yourself or your family, you don't have to compromise your own health or that of your horse to survive in battle, you don't REALLY have to walk in their shoes, you don't know every aspect of their culture, their beliefs, their style of warfare. So all these discussions about "reality" and "playing" are, in my opinion, quite pointless.

You originally asked what is the point of shooting bows around 35#. I hope I have shed a bit of light.

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:28 pm

Angela wrote:Sorry, can't agree with that. If the bow is fully drawn and accurately shot, a 35# bow can do plenty of damage, especially with arrows with hunting tips. Such a combination could go through more than just a winter jacket, believe me...

I was shooting the sample from the horse. The result was half arrows reflected from the target. The target was made of very soft materials .... The bow was around 35lb (interesting coincidence). Shot from a distance of approx. 10m.

Let's be glad that we can play ... Even so, I wish a beautiful shot from his horse.

Feel free to buy Kaya KTB (I own a 50 and 55lb). It's a good bow. Certainly there is variation between 30 and 35lb. Kaya Dong Yi probably more consistent with the original Korean HornBow. No other significant difference not know.

New bows from Kaya in 2011

KTB & khan