Bamboo arrow debate

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:16 pm

i am very happy to see new partner start to run his business,also i hope jack can show me which defect i have,photos is best to showm me clearly,so,i can improve the quality,almost 5 years,many people will see clearly my quality is always uping without end,that is my request to works:try our best to satisfying our costomer,no best,but always better quality is tiger shafts's specification.
i know many bamboo specification,but i can say our bamboo material may be is the best for making bamboo arrows,i always think japan and korean bamboo is not so straight as ours,also their bamboo wall is thin,is not so stuff for making bamboo arrow,sjust their bamboo is lighter,so,with 40-70lbs bow,i think nobady feel only 3-5grams diffirence,and also our bamboo is medium weight,as arrows,3 conditions are most important:
1)very very straight
2)very very stiff/tolerence to let you repeat many times shoot without damage
3)proper weight(25-35grams/each for 33" and 30-40grams for 39.4"):not heavy,not light(if too lighter,strong wind or medium rain will blow/hit it out target)
our bamboo arrow shafts are match the 3 conditions,of course,economic price is the king,if expensive,nobady or very less use it even it is highest quality,busines like war and if youwan t win the war need brave and corage and expence and practical soldier,not need many engineer,even they are very smart people.wild and uneducated boys always have a beautiful wife than many doctors,:when you find a chance,take it immidiatly,otherwise others will take it.no time to pitty when you return to see old story.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:13 am

Daniel; Because shipping is about 40% of an order from Stiven, any adjustment to a single order would negate his sale. Therefore maybe he needs a second sale to make things right. This may be part of buying from the other side of the world.

Please follow this description of Tonklin cane. The internodes, the space between the nodes, tapers. At the node the diameter returns to a larger size and tapers to the next node. The nodes on a raw stick are swollen. To straighten this stick the nodes are sanded down then the entire stick is sanded down. But the overall shaft is not like a dowel or a tapered dowel. There is still tapering and return to larger and smaller diameter.

Sometimes the internodes do not sit on eachother in a centered way. These sticks cannot be improved and are not appropriate for arrows.

This exact wavering in diameter is seen in historic Mughal arrows. Tonkin cane is very strong and a superior arrow making material.

But it is nonsense to compare it to Korean or Japanese arrows. Pseudosasa has one even taper from bottom to top and the nodes are not swollen. There is a prominent eye and gently tapering groove on Pseudosasa. If you own Japanese or Korean arrows, you are owning artwork. This is reflected in the price.

I personally prefer tonkin cane even though I have Pseudosasa because I can get the spine from a smaller diameter shaft and can choose from a greater number of shafts. Worldwide, archers spin arrows while balanced on the thumb nail and finger nail to check for straightness. Even a really good tonkin cane arrow might have difficulty passing this test.

Sorry for the long post. -j-

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 am

jack farrell:
yes,i need second seller,it is first design selling way before i sold them,i need many many partners to spread these bamboo shafts,as my dream is that bamboo arrows will cover each angle of the world,i realise it is possibles,as it is the better quality than any wood shafts.
just need market develop,any business must think 3 parts:
1) special desin and very nice quality products
2)open and discover even creat many new market
3) each secondary seller think how to run his capital efeciency to ganrantee his business can be keep go so far,now what i do is second points,as quality is already match most buyer's request,and 3th is seller's right controlled

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:39 am

jack farrell wrote:I personally prefer tonkin cane even though I have Pseudosasa because I can get the spine from a smaller diameter shaft

I'm surprised you say this Jack, I'd have thought it easier to find the light shafts you use from Pseudosasa than Tonkin. The shafts that I cut almost always weigh a good deal less than Tonkin of comparable length and diameter.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:08 pm

Think about it. We are saying the same thing. A Tonkin shaft of a given weight has a smaller diameter than Arrow bamboo, Pseudosasa, of that weight.

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:02 pm

I see what you are saying ... if you were looking for heavy arrows with a small diameter .... but the shaft weights you have quoted previously are quite light and easier to find with Pseudosasa. From what I am finding, whatever the shaft diameter, Pseudosasa Japonica is lighter.

Obviously, it is more convenient to select and grade arrows from prepared shafts than live culms.

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:16 pm

I've fitted wooden nocks and wrapped them using hide glue and backstrap sinew. After a little experimenting with cellulose film, I think I've found the stuff the Koreans use to seal the sinew, see here..
http://atarn.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1952
I also took advantage of a sunny day and harvested some more culms that should be enough for quite some time.

stiventiger · Post by **stiventiger** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:08 am

for jack
Daniel; Because shipping is about 40% of an order from Stiven, any adjustment to a single order would negate his sale.

yes,international express worldwide take 30%-40% of total price and here it is rule taht if more weight,more cheaper price total,so,i often ask buyer to order more and more amount,of course if buyer order more,i can down the price even 20-30%,but it is pitty,many person don't know it and always think i want to sell them more,in fact people who listen my oipion ,all people get their maxium profits than small order people.
in china old culture,negate the price is the natural thing,like breathe or drink water,important i always try to give buyers maxium benefit to let them run their business much better.

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:50 pm

I've now finished a set of six Korean arrows using Japonica shafts from the garden. They weigh in around 370 +/- grains at 35.5" in length, 63gr points, wood nocks sinew wrapped and sealed using the cellulose papers.

A huge thankyou to Ashbow for generously providing the stunning pheasant feathers to finish them (I hope you like the result)

There is a 7th arrow but the fletch node is about an inch different to the others, so I left it out.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:38 am

Khan; Those are really nice. I know you are proud of them and will feel like a king (Khan?) shooting them.

Ashbow · Post by **Ashbow** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:10 pm

I'm really glad the feathers have been put to a good use.
Congratulations on the arrows, they look carefully made, it seems to me that I'm decieved by the pictures though, and in reality the arrows are smaller in size. They look fast and accurate.
I look forward to hearing how the paper wraps take the abuse of shooting.

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:35 pm

2" behind fletching. Fletching is 4". Nock to node junction 9".

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:35 pm

edit : double post

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:06 am

New options for bamboo arrows (Korean style):

33 "long, 45 to 50 lb, weight 30 grams, pheasant feathers

Emergency curiosity - split bamboo ... 33 "long, 60 to 70 lb, weight 34 to 36 grams, 6" long feathers, pheasant feathers

2 arrows on the photograph are available on the length of 31 "

Arrows Test Kit - rods (bamboo shafts HEXA) ... 30 "length, 55-60 lb, 32-34 grams

Interestingly ... I have made inventories of finished rods (point, nocks) about 100 to the club, for friends and for sale ... shows only part

jchocz · Post by **jchocz** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:19 am

Bamboo Arrows - set (split bamboo)

33 "length, 60 to 70 lb bow, 6" long pheasant feathers