Interesting Asiatic Bows in Russian Collections

[Dusan]

Interesting bone bow plates from Ukraina. Siah plate vith 2 string nocks



Vladimirovka,Saratovka -Ukraina:



Skits arrowheads found vith wood inserts (!)

[jack farrell]

Dusan; The Bulgarian story was very enjoyable. Most likely there are hundreds or more of such destroyed sites. It was the great speciality of the Mongols. Interesting how similar Mongol points were from far apart places.

From where are these latest Skit points from?

[Dusan]

Sorry , but i dont know. Its was like ilustrated pic. in text about Skitas arrowheads but vithaut details . What i can say is- mostly Ukraina because text was from Ukraina sait.
If i can i write about source and region where are archeological things found.

[Dusan]

Well known "Novgorod" bow or" Russian Slavs" bow (mostli known only from pensil draws)pics. No 1. is part of children bow and others was 2 fragment from wood /sinew komposite bow from birch + juniper glued plates vith sinew layers + birch bark cover.
One part was 79,5cm long /only bending part/ , second part was shorter. Probably 190 cm long bow vith to this days visible reflex (800 years !) was from 12 cen.



In another place in Novgorod was found bow bone plates and fismans stone .In stone was interesting engraved archer vith komposite bow(!).In other site was grif.Same 12.cen.



Russians historians imagine somthing like this :

[Dusan]

In Siano Altai region was to this days not open tousands of old Turcic tribes barrow "kurgans" from 6-10 cen.. In several of them lie old warriors vith his weapons and horses.
What is interesting for us- vith bows and arrows.

Tora Tal Arty barrow in Tuva region . Two warriors vith horses was fired vith his weapons. Bow handle part vith half of bending part was well preserved. Bone plates, and bronze parts of "koltchan" quiver.




Another Altai barrow vith 2 bending parts and part of kasan :




Nice handle bone plates




Kudirge barrow :



Warrior vith 2 horses, bow, quiver and arrows. From bow was only bone plates (no.4)



Interesting Chronological table old Turcic tribes founds from Saiano Altai from Ovchinikova book :

[Kviljo]

The Novgorod bow is very interesting. I am not quite sure that it was backed with sinew as Medvedev (1966) states. It might just as well be that the back laminate has deteriorated more than the belly and therefore left a space between the birch covering and the back. Almost none of the older two-wood bows have preserved backs - only this one, and one from Oslo, Norway. The bellys are usually very well preserved due to them having been made of compression wood.

[JJ]

Dusan, thanks for the fascinating account on the siege location. Like a window into the past...

Concerning the plates of artefacts it is a shame that drawings are nearly always of extremely bad quality in Russian archaeologoical reviews.



On this (better) one there are parts of a nice Mongolian type quiver. The carved wooden eyelet piece reminds me of the Yuan quiver Stephen posted.

JJ

[Dusan]

Thank you JJ.Time to time i hunting in Russians sites. I thing all what we need was in history.

[Dusan]

I find interesting text about one of old turcic bone plates pic from page 17. Its very interesting information abou old turcic bows from 2-3 bc. not only side bone plates but frontal too ! (google transl.)

In the middle of I millennium AD. er. in southern Siberia there are bows with front, ie, mounted on the outside kibiti, end-plates. These pads with a total length of 30 cm recorded at yakonurskom onions from the Altai Mountains, but here they are combined with two lateral end plates with notches for the string.

Long plate, curved to form the shoulder, fastened in the same way between the median side and front end plates. The total length of bone plates on the outside of the bow is about 70 cm length Sredin ? GOVERNMENTAL plates 20 cm If we assume that the length of the bows Turkic time on average was equal to 120-130 cm, the wooden bending part without pads on uzuntalsk regions not exceed 30-40 cm over its entire length. The effectiveness of shooting this bow was achieved, apparently, does not decrease the total number of bone plates, which is typical for bows Turkic time compared with the Hun, and carried forward
Niemi end caps on the side to the front. To increase the flexibility needed for shooting bending part, its outer side further enhanced by more than half of bone plates. The effectiveness of shooting a bow uzuntalsk ensured, thus contrasting elastic force of the middle part of arm, rigidly large lateral plates, and its first segment, the reinforced flexible linings.





anther bone plates from old turcic grave- warior vith horse-( Kadanda , Beral kurgans) this time narrow plates..

[Dusan]

About Sogdians archery 7-8 c. (from V.I. Raspopova work)
/google trans./


Bow and arrows - the only ranged weapons, which can be judged based on early medieval Sogdian. In recent years there have been special studies of this type of weapon [158, 159; 263]. The development of the bow and arrows on the Siberian material in the early medieval traced AA Gavrilova [71]. LR Kyzlasov showed links between the Central and Sogdians bows and arrows [142, 72-77].

In Panjakent found bone medial side linings from the composite Bow. All linings trapezoid, with a cut to the back plates on the narrow side (Fig. 42, 2-6). Dimensions: length 15 and 20.5 cm, width 1.6 and 1.8 cm [32, Fig. 42, 2]. On the inner side of the mortise lines are crossed for better grip when gluing. The most accurate analogy in such overlays, as noted by LR Kyzlasov, are in the graves of Tuva VIII-IX centuries. and Bashknrii IX-X centuries. By the VIII century., As shown by AA Gavrilova on materials Siberia [71, 87-88], IV Sinitsyn, and EK Maximov on material Volga region [224, 108, 165, 72-74], emerging type of bow with only median strip. In the image at the bows Penjikent painting are clearly visible trapezoidal median lining and lamination of laminated composite bow (Fig. 42, 1, 43). Judging by the images, the length of the bow was 1.20-1.40 m (when flat).

History of Central Asian bows covered in the papers AM Khazanov A BA Litvinskaya. Here we dwell only on the properties of early medieval tactical bow, to which sufficient attention is not paid.

Sogdian soldiers always wore a bow case for a bow in a deflated state. This way of wearing a bow witnessed graphic material from the VI
(65/66)

Typically, researchers have noted the advantages of large bows early Middle Ages in comparison
(67/68)
compared with the small Scythian bow. Certainly, a large bow growing bowshot and break the power of shots. However, wearing a bow in a deflated form indicates a certain decrease in the reliability of bow - they were afraid that the bow will lose elasticity. In taut as it was only during shooting. Only to the VIII-X centuries. is the appearance of the bows, which was safe to wear in burn taut form [324, PI. 2, 47, 48]. Apparently, then, that in the case for a bow worn by two bows, also associated with low reliability of each of them. Wearing a bow when flat, even in battle, as seen in Penjikent paintings, making the transition from martial arts to small and thus have an impact on battle tactics.

Handle detail from Sogdians wall painting



Bone handle plates



Sogdians warriors vith flat bows

[Dusan]

For a long time Russian archaeologists studying at Sayano Altai called Andronievsk Karasukskaya culture. Nearby graves are found on rocks these drawings.




With these and a variety of subjects found in the graves reconstructed historians Andronievsk warrior and probablyhis special chariot 1600 BC.



Another interesting winter rapid transfer from 1500 bc. Iminsk Turbinskaya cultur :



Zaobrie (near the Obra river) warrior reconstruction 500 bc.



This wood siahs was from his graves...

[Dusan]

Boe from Chabarovsk museum



Interestin drawing from Japan . One of this bows have interesting form...

[Dusan]

Avar bone plates found in Szeged town -Hungaria



bone garnish from one of two quivers - same source



2 quivers

[jack farrell]

About the assesment of Sogdian bows by the Russian archaeologist. The bows ARE shown unstrung in long bow cases on the archers left side. The bows are shown two to a case. I posted pictures of these murals three years ago when I went to Penjikent, in Tajikistan.

But especially after seeing the two Miran bows in Korea, I am more convinced that, like the two Miran bows which appear to have been made by the same person, two bows of two different draw weights were carried at the same time. The bows were unstrung because of their low reflex were probably easily strung on horseback.

There are methods for stringing even more difficult bows in this way.

In my opinion, the Miran bows are of even greater draw weight than the Mongol bows right next to them (at the time of viewing). The Miran bows are of Hunnic type which preceded Mongol bows, in this case by about 500 years.

Sogdian bows are of Hunnic styling and should be similar to the Miran bows or others from Xinjiang of the same era.

[Bede]

There are historical records of two bows being carried of different draw weights. Unfortunately, they are often observations of non-archers and rarely have any more detail. Arabic manuals have several methods of string bows on horseback which would be suitable for opened out non-contact siyah bows, but would have been very difficult for bows with recurved tips. Another technique for bracing a bow while running by striking one tip on the ground would only work with a straight ended bow.

In the hundreds of methods that are described for bracing bows, many would only work with older style bows suggesting they have been handed down from earlier authorities.