Korean mini-arrow

stefan kaletsch · Post by **stefan kaletsch** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:54 pm

Hi folks,
watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJELZ0vYvV8

In comparison with the turkish siper ,the korean arrowguide in combination
with the mini-arrow is a real freaky thing!
Does anyone know about the reach of these arrows? Is there anything like
flightshooting in Korea?
As you might have noticed am I a big fan of korean archery.Beside this
rather funny little film there are many great korean archery videos on
youtube,most of them in korean language.Who can or how can I translate
the videos?
Thanks for ideas......Stefan[/url]

Holtzmann · Post by **Holtzmann** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:43 pm

Hello Stefan!

i have spoke whitn an friend of mine that working in the natinal museum,

i think he said that they shoot around 300-600m, i can't give you the exakt value.

but this is some intressting data^^

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:10 am

The Koreans are the only people who kept using an arrow guide and darts into the 20th century. The practice has had a revival in the 21st century and is becoming more widespread. These short arrows and guide tubes were used from Korea to Byzantium and detailed instructions for their use are preserved in Arabic manuals.

It is slightly easier to shoot with an arrow guide when compared to the Turkish siper. However, both are dangerous to the user and sometimes to the bystanders.

I have shot with a Korean bow and a dart with a 125 grain field point over 325 metres. Such a heavy projectile retains much of its momentum on impact and would have been dangerous at that distance. Darts made specifically for flight shooting can be shot farther.

Design of the profile of the guide (e.g. how much it wraps around the arrow) can influence its efficiency. Unfortunately the price of efficiency is safety.

stefan kaletsch · Post by **stefan kaletsch** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:10 pm

Holtzman and Bede,
if there is any exact value about the reach,please let me know! The speed
should be more or less 260 fps, due to the number,measured by the musem,what is not to fast.
But the shown arrows are heavy,made for killing.I bet that someone tried
to shoot a mini-arrow that is similar-styled to the turkish distance-arrows!
Bede, I saw your video about the korean arrowguide.If you ?ve got further
information,especially about korean flightshooting,I?d appreciate to
participate in your knowledge! Stefan

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:51 am

Stefan,
I will have a look at the records. I haven't shot for distance with a traditional Korean bow, only with a modern materials bow. Since the arrows were not designed for flight, my shots were not that great. However, designing darts for flight shooting is harder than designing flight arrows. The constraints are different.

As you observed, the arrows being used now in Korea with the arrow guide are not designed for flight. The one specification for a flight arrow for an arrow guide is the sectional arrow described in an anecdote in Saracen Archery. This arrow has been the subject of much discussion. One thing that none of the experts mentioned is that a guide supports the arrow so that the shaft does not have to be as stiff or dense as an ordinary arrow. As well, I have found that longer darts can sometimes leave the guide straighter that shorter ones giving better flight since the initial drag is minimised. It is a complicated procedure and initial velocity is only one variable.

Thanks to a friend, I have some shaft material to make a sectional dart so when I have finished I will publish some velocity measurements.

mechwar · Post by **mechwar** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:20 am

Holtzmann, you got my picture

recently, the official record is 428.8m(furthermost) at testing competition.
someone got a detail data, but it's korean..
it planned again this year, I hope to join!

- competition pictures here
http://cafe.naver.com/thecrossbow.cafe? ... 7&social=1

Korean mini-arrow

Korean mini-arrow

long distance shooting competetion