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Post by Amarutu » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:15 pm

Oh, there is one single word in Persian, hcspng.
But its written in latin letters. Its written "Beschdsch?r". Do you know it?
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Post by Bede » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:50 pm

Could it be بشجير or بش جير ?

I don't now whether this is relevant, but the transliterations in the text can cause confusion. He uses an "a" as a carrier for ء so his "neba" would now be transliterated as nab`.
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Post by Ashbow » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:37 am

"PS. I know from my own experience that coniferous woods will not make friction fire making fire board or spindle."

Jack, odly some conifers work very well in that application for some people, haven't tried yet myself, guess the wood has to be in a certain condition (well weathered?) to qualify.
I apologize for getting off the subject.
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Post by hcspng » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:41 am

No that word in not in persian too.the word naba means spring(season) but it may have other meaning too.
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Post by Adam Karpowicz » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:27 am

It is difficult to sort out the meaning of the phonetic transliterations such as these. According to my Ottoman Turkish dictionary, the Turkish terms: kam-agadschi, kogusch-agadschi and akdsche-agadschi do not bring anything new. The first probably refers to a "bow wood", the second (kovush agachi) means "timber wood" and the last (akche agachi) means "pale wood" or "maple".

The neba or nab tree is probably the nebk tree - a small tree or a shrub very common in the area (Ziziphus or Ramnus spinachristi, a buckhorn). The dictionary points also to a lotus tree, which can be several species: jujuba, nettle (hackberry) or persimmon.

The other names starting with "schew" or "scher/schir" might be a thorny plant (shevke- in Ottoman), or a plant with milky sap or perhaps a resin (shir-). The Rhamnus trees, such as the nebk or jujuba would fit the description best. Plus, the berries and bark used to be a source of a yellow dye, so one can imagine the wood may be yellow as well. The sap/resin could be describing acacia, well known as a source of bow wood and gum Arabic, but I think the neba is probably nebk.

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Post by Uli » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:47 pm

very interesting
thank you for sharing expert knowledge !
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