World traditional Archery Festival 2011

[pete]

Howdy my good friends in traditional archery. Most especially to jack ferrel

Perhaps many knows me already in this forum. . But I have some questions in what you gentlemen are doing. I personally love cultural adventure

Anyway, For some time, ive been invited by wtaf even first time being form . my first invitation is many things are given to me ?free of this and free of that?.

And the question thrown to me is : can you form a Philippine tribal team that can perform archery showing Philippine archery.?

At that time, My answer is no . because its takes some special arrangement with the government before tribes can be allowed to go out. you see, its not that easy. But you can imagine how interesting will that be right? Im on for it. Before . the problem is how to?? thats my problem before.

But now I think ive found somebody in our government I can team up with and will be able to even join wtaf of 2012 , if if hospitality, accommodation or plane ticket can be given. I hope after so many years that I have tried to find the means and ways. Till now , Then what ? non of these major freedbies is available now. ? well I hope not. That would be a shame wouldn?t it be?

Im talking about the tribal negritoes , pygmy people of our country. Who is good at archery too. Stephen been here with me. He told me when spanish conquistadors invaded Philippines and under 300 years of rule. Our own basic culture was wiped out. But I told him stephen Yes and No ! But now I think I may be in the Position to even prove this. Archerywise. Now my answer is - positive, i can prove there is yet very ethnic tribal archery in action.

Many expresses that cultural archery is so important in wtaf festival. I fully agree . our negritoes can even dance the tribal dance and willing to do so. and good at tree climbing for exmaple and shoot from trees.

The drawback is philipines is a a poor country. And perhaps though now can form a team , some kind of plane fare assistance may be needed for these tribal archers representing Philippines.

Im requesting Stephen to visit me again in the next 2 months or so. to make an evalation of what I can form. And also archery rules regarding wtaf- hands on.

But a at least. I have expressed my concern.

Ah yes another concern. Our tribal is half naked and dress in G -string since we are tropical warm tropical country. So if these kind of people and costume to bring to cold climate , such as korea. I hope our tribal people wont catch cold collapse or whatever, not to mention shivering while drawing the bow. Ahahah im thinking of a very funny scenario.
( but its no joking matter ) Since it?s a mixture of all kind of culture and yet. Climate is not the same. Oh gosh. I hope not even food. For example is Korean food spicy , hot. ?

But thanks for telling what happen jack. Im sure there will be a lot of confusion / even misunderstanding that might occurred . Since its very culturally diverse. But I think it because of this bow and arrow. handled by different culture that will make wtaf a very interesting place to join. if they play they cards right so to speak.
Hope we don?t forget the culture side of it from competitive side.
It should have a 'balanc'e and not leaning fully on one side.

I hope everybody is not their to prove they are good or better

but we are there to show we are in 'brotherhood spirit ' in this long lost art in archery because of this modern world modernization.

all the best,
peter
Philippines,

[jack farrell]

Peter; I think this is an excellent idea but you must decide about the obstacles. I will discuss a few. Your people will be welcomed with open arms and much enthusiasm. But you must ask yourself what will be the impact on these Negrito people. Can they travel on an airplane, travel in crowded cities, eat the Korean food which is extremely different to many people? They must have clothes for traveling and wearing but if they want to shoot in their tribal clothes I believe there would be no problem. Koreans are very modern peoples and they greatly honor hospitality.

There is a small problem in Korea getting someone to make a decision. Most in authority need to ask someone above them to make a decision and often this means waiting until the proper person can be asked. One is sometimes stranded by this chain of command. In the big city of Seoul, one must be able to move around and arrange transportation and not be timid.

I feel certain that the WTAF can make all travel and financial arrangements and would be thrilled to have you and your team to come. The Negritos may want to demonstrate their skills only or to arrange their own special contest. All others shoot up to and over 100 yards and some types of archery are not meant for this purpose.

Your team would be quite welcomed and actually are at the center of the meaning of preserving traditional archery.

In short, can your fellows take the culture shock? DO THEY WANT TO SHARE THEIR SKILLS OR ARE WE PUTTING THEM ON DISPLAY? Are we being fair to them?

[jack farrell]

PS Peter, Some years ago a fellow decided that some of the best runners in the world belonged to a primitive tribe in Mexico. He decided to take some of these runners to several marathons. The results were very mixed and I am not sure that these people care to compete in international type running events.

I am sure these Tarahumara still discuss what happened.

[pete]

Peter; I think this is an excellent idea but you must decide about the obstacles.
= i know been thinking of this for a long long time. even with stephen ive expressed my concern

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I will discuss a few. Your people will be welcomed with open arms and much enthusiasm. But you must ask yourself what will be the impact on these Negrito people.

= the impact is "positive" . i'll tell you why.


Can they travel on an airplane, travel in crowded cities, eat the Korean food which is extremely different to many people?
= i know its hard. im not only the one to lead.i cant do this alone. its not that easy i tell you.


They must have clothes for traveling and wearing
= of course.

but if they want to shoot in their tribal clothes I believe there would be no problem.
= i see thanks.

Koreans are very modern peoples and they greatly honor hospitality.
= thanks. msot asian are.

There is a small problem in Korea getting someone to make a decision. Most in authority need to ask someone above them to make a decision and often this means waiting until the proper person can be asked.
= i see.

One is sometimes stranded by this chain of command. In the big city of Seoul, one must be able to move around and arrange transportation and not be timid.
= i know ive been there and --- no english there

I feel certain that the WTAF can make all travel and financial arrangements and would be thrilled to have you and your team to come.
= im jsut trying to get back what ive been invited for for such a long time, even when it was in planning stage. of wtaf . but stephen told me it has become very "competitivewise

" i hope the "culture side "should still be maintain in a serious manner. are we there to prove we are " dominant " race in archery or what? . waht is the very essence of it. we should separate ourself from the modern olympic archery and---- 'think out of the box '




The Negritos may want to demonstrate their skills only or to arrange their own special contest.
= let me whisper something to you guys. down the road.

i have some surprises for you. i will reveal these things in time.

actually , down the road we might even hold such cultural competition here with my good contact with the governemnt. . jsut let me do my job. it will be soon.

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All others shoot up to and over 100 yards and some types of archery are not meant for this purpose.
= i know what you are talking abouyt its is war bow , its not kidstuff. while we only have hunting archery of clsoer ange. thats why i wish for stpehn to come to evaluate. in the next 2 months.

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Your team would be quite welcomed and actually are at the center of the meaning of preserving traditional archery.

= im bold to say this because i know we are unique. and is the very essence. its like bringing out something which has not been done before.

clsoe to tradgang or what.

americans owe something to our tribal negritoes. they taught jungle survival to the american GI in our U.S. base. here before they ship to vietnam to war. without this skills many americans would have died in tropical jungle. not even know how to find water., build fire from bamboo.

if there is any cultural archery gathering like that in U.S. american should welcome us.

ive been long contact with tribe here jsut that sending out a team should have contact in cultural minority affairs. and responsibilities are high. but i hink i have now the contact.
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In short, can your fellows take the culture shock? DO THEY WANT TO SHARE THEIR SKILLS OR ARE WE PUTTING THEM ON DISPLAY? Are we being fair to them?

= our cultural minority have been look down for ages thats why they are driven further and further int he forest. adn has a sense of inferiority complex. but dont worry, there is that movement of preserving what was left of original culture.

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i have an american contact, Im sure he will form an american indian team ,he is part of indians tribes. im already telling him this. beside that. he is in hollywood , let us tell him to put this in film .

what we are doing here. that how to make this a blast.

peter

[pete]

Peter; I think this is an excellent idea but you must decide about the obstacles.
= i know been thinking of this for a long long time. even with stephen ive expressed my concern

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I will discuss a few. Your people will be welcomed with open arms and much enthusiasm. But you must ask yourself what will be the impact on these Negrito people.

= the impact is "positive" . i'll tell you why.


Can they travel on an airplane, travel in crowded cities, eat the Korean food which is extremely different to many people?
= i know its hard. im not only the one to lead.i cant do this alone. its not that easy i tell you.


They must have clothes for traveling and wearing
= of course.

but if they want to shoot in their tribal clothes I believe there would be no problem.
= i see thanks.

Koreans are very modern peoples and they greatly honor hospitality.
= thanks. msot asian are.

There is a small problem in Korea getting someone to make a decision. Most in authority need to ask someone above them to make a decision and often this means waiting until the proper person can be asked.
= i see.

One is sometimes stranded by this chain of command. In the big city of Seoul, one must be able to move around and arrange transportation and not be timid.
= i know ive been there and --- no english there

I feel certain that the WTAF can make all travel and financial arrangements and would be thrilled to have you and your team to come.
= im jsut trying to get back what ive been invited for for such a long time, even when it was in planning stage. of wtaf . but stephen told me it has become very "competitivewise

" i hope the "culture side "should still be maintain in a serious manner. are we there to prove we are " dominant " race in archery or what? . waht is the very essence of it. we should separate ourself from the modern olympic archery and---- 'think out of the box '




The Negritos may want to demonstrate their skills only or to arrange their own special contest.
= let me whisper something to you guys. down the road.

i have some surprises for you. i will reveal these things in time.

actually , down the road we might even hold such cultural competition here with my good contact with the governemnt. . jsut let me do my job. it will be soon.

xxxxxxxxxxxx


All others shoot up to and over 100 yards and some types of archery are not meant for this purpose.
= i know what you are talking abouyt its is war bow , its not kidstuff. while we only have hunting archery of clsoer ange. thats why i wish for stpehn to come to evaluate. in the next 2 months.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Your team would be quite welcomed and actually are at the center of the meaning of preserving traditional archery.

= im bold to say this because i know we are unique. and is the very essence. its like bringing out something which has not been done before.

clsoe to tradgang or what.

americans owe something to our tribal negritoes. they taught jungle survival to the american GI in our U.S. base. here before they ship to vietnam to war. without this skills many americans would have died in tropical jungle. not even know how to find water., build fire from bamboo.

if there is any cultural archery gathering like that in U.S. american should welcome us.

ive been long contact with tribe here jsut that sending out a team should have contact in cultural minority affairs. and responsibilities are high. but i hink i have now the contact.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

In short, can your fellows take the culture shock? DO THEY WANT TO SHARE THEIR SKILLS OR ARE WE PUTTING THEM ON DISPLAY? Are we being fair to them?

= our cultural minority have been look down for ages thats why they are driven further and further int he forest. adn has a sense of inferiority complex. but dont worry, there is that movement of preserving what was left of original culture.

xxxxxxxxxxx

i have an american contact, Im sure he will form an american indian team ,he is part of indians tribes. im already telling him this. beside that. he is in hollywood , let us tell him to put this in film .

what we are doing here. that how to make this a blast.

peter

[pete]

see this links research about archery philippine negritoes


http://www.bohol.ph/books/nz/nz.htm

while quoting


This was evidently the belief of some of the old voyagers. Navarette, whose account of his travels in 1647 is published in Churchill's Collection of Voyages, 1704, said that the people called ?Zambales? were great archers and had no other weapons than the bow and arrow. Dr. John Frances Gemelli Careri, who made a voyage around the world, 1693?1697, says in his report (Churchill's Voyages, vol. IV): ?This mixing [that is, of Negritos] with the Wild Indians produced the Tribe of Manghian who are Blacks dwelling in the Isles of Mindoro and Mundos [probably Panay], and who peopled the Islands de los Negros, or of Blacks. Some of them have harsh frisled hair like the African and Angola blacks. * * *

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see this link too


http://www.bohol.ph/books/nz/nz.htm#d0e8305


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also : Aetas help americans in fighting off japanese during world war II

http://www.fmapulse.com/content/fma-cor ... artial-art

quoted :

While I mentioned the docile characteristic of the Aetas at the beginning of this article, these indigenous peoples indeed engaged in warfare in certain phases of Philippine history. A number of historical works significantly mentioned the role of the Aetas in the fight against the Japanese in Luzon during World War II. One book, ?On A Mountainside: The 155th Provisional Guerrilla Battalion Against the Japanese on Luzon,? by Malcolm Decker, describes how the Negritos of Luzon helped the American forces in driving out the invaders. The book was based on the accounts of Malcolm?s father Doyle who had served as an American soldier in the Philippines during the war.

On the heroic exploits of the Aetas during the Japanese occupation, Filipino writer Ramon de Jesus penned the following words in ?World War II in Zambales:? ?Only seven Japanese soldiers escaped from the attack. A few days after the massacre, a Japanese punitive force was sent to avenge the death of their comrades. When the Japanese force was passing through Poonbato on its way to Sitio Villar, Negrito guerrillas killed 30 of the Japanese soldiers with their bows and arrows.? De Jesus, in the same work also narrated how Aeta archers served as lookouts in various gatherings of the resistance forces during the war, it reads. ?Negrito bowmen led by Pam Melicia provided security during these delicate meetings.?


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see other links

http://the-zombie-hunter.blogspot.com/2 ... -jest.html

( i frequent the jest camp)



http://www.filhistory.com/central-luzon/page/2/

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hope you guys enjoy this.

pete

[pete]

okay see rare footage of negritoes archery dance
many many 'moons' before

bow and arrow is just their life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOlJ0ozj ... re=related

[arsilan]

Hi Peter
I watched the movie in youtube.We want to see your archery group in Turkey. It may be a good training before WTAF 2012.Here is the link of event.best.
http://www.turkisharchery.com/2012gumushacikoy/

[pete]

yes , im invited by mr. metin, thanks mr. arsilian for the website.

what i wish to know now is, in real scenario

can tribal archery who is only on bamboo bow compete with warbows?
thats why i wish mr. stephen selby to be here with me again to evaluate things with me.

wonder if there is "category" like bamboo compete with bamboo bow
hornbow with hornbow only and the list goes on.

so called ] some type of
/Level playing field ==== if not, then we better start something with fairness to a certain degree.

we are of hunting bow of small to medium size game

while other bow culture is meant to conquer a dynasty !!!!

wheres the level playing field there?

if i read jacks explanation, seems as though, theres no level playing field................well at least so far yet?

peter

Hi Peter
I watched the movie in youtube.We want to see your archery group in Turkey. It may be a good training before WTAF 2012.Here is the link of event.best.
http://www.turkisharchery.com/2012gumushacikoy/

[jack farrell]

I have observed that jungle people shoot long heavy arrows which are meant to penetrate foliage and shoot into deep water. These same arrows will not shoot a long distance.

A horn bow with short arrows will not shoot well in the jungle. These are two different types of equipment. Best to find out how the Africans did at WTAF. Maybe some input from the Peruvians and Bolivians how their equipment fares in field archery.

Have any of your fellows ever been on an airplane, stayed at a hotel, traveled in a city of millions of people? Peter, can you imagine them ENJOYING going to Korea?

[pete]

I have observed that jungle people shoot long heavy arrows which are meant to penetrate foliage and shoot into deep water.

= exactly they even have 3 points tips for fish
actuality they have about a dozen kinds of tips. handmade with barb

some are like 'release harpoons' for mammals , release point.


These same arrows will not shoot a long distance.
= well thats what i like stephen to come here for

to see what good will such tradition be here for
does this coincides with, for example wtaf motto? principle
or its just again another traditional "olympic" with just "icing " on top of it only ahahah

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A horn bow with short arrows will not shoot well in the jungle.
= i see.

These are two different types of equipment.
= i see

Best to find out how the Africans did at WTAF. Maybe some input from the Peruvians and Bolivians how their equipment fares in field archery.
= how about making a separate category for such equipment. ?

knowledgeable organizer must know how to categorize this intelligently

not about a hay target and shotgun . handgun 45, uzi shooting all over it just because its a 'gun shoot activity'. - just a metaphor

or our kind is more for the tradgang stuff and not "traditional "archery crowd. i dont know , you guys pls tell me. and throw me to the right direction.

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Have any of your fellows ever been on an airplane, stayed at a hotel, traveled in a city of millions of people?

= can i tell you something ----------- yes they have to my greatest surprise. some can even text message to you in english.
( of course not all )

some are instructor " for the american GI here.- certified jungle survival instructor.

as i said, america owes these natives. in a sense. most especially during the vietnam war where Philippines is the training ground for jungle survival.

Peter, can you imagine them ENJOYING going to Korea?[/quote]

= yes. i can imagine. ahahahah

can you imagine also if one happen to die of sudden weather change for example ,ate something they are not used to ( knock on wood ) what kind of deep responsibility i have? and what? I have to be 'manager 'for them? in addition to all these added risk. /responsibility.

but do you guys wish to see natives like that? and hope they join ? so do we deserve some freebies otherwise its not worth it and just to justify and be encourage. ------------ i tell you.

next year is our 'centennial games year' celebration . a big thing here. . this kind of archery might be included. and might have hospitality. anybody interested to come ? sponsored by the govt. im trying to suggest of such added activity. Im trying to help here.

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btw,

my indian friend in montana is organizing their american indian team tribe counterpart. after i show them whats happening , he recognizes red hawk in wtaf website. and is very interested too

pete

[jack farrell]

Very interesting indeed. Bring lots of extra bows and arrows so we can buy them.

[pete]

Okay although, I have a sense of humor here. , but
im coming back to atarn and to be so serious here.


Its no joke for me to bring cultural minorities out. But this can happen, and im working at it. For now

But just for next year alone, we have one very important "centennial games." One of the proposal that I could make is to have this so
called' traditiona'l archery games./competition

What I like to have from atarn people / organization consisting of so many countries to write me a letter . ( thru scan, with your letterhead ) saying that your group are interested. To learn more about such gathering and that you gentlemen wants to be informed about it. Because you are interested on such festival if there is such to be formed and held in the Philippines. it is also an 'encouragement' letter to the government.

How many organization do we have here ? can you guys be say 5 or even to 10 letters all over the globe being it personal, or organization. ? Then i submit to our government. Proving that there is such interest worldwide. The letter then will also be the basis for inviting you in priority of Who you are.

Look im being the ?bird dog ? here. Bridging between the east and the west. . im sure there is at least hospitality provided and other attraction for free since it the government staging many games. And this combines with many other sports. It?s a big thing here. . Im also being task to handle some other sport.too.

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Can I get peoples cooperation here. /? archer and jungle survivalist enthusiast ? Just some type of letters. Of serious inquiry thru me. And encourages the govt here to go with such proposal of mine. Something like that.

The govermnt are very ignorant what is happening outside of modern archery but Im the one who had known this way from the beginning .I just want to show that indeed there is a whole new world about this. And so I am to show them some written proofs here. Remember now if this materialsizes, anybody writing me the letter will be prioritize to be invited , since being known

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Heres what is in my mind:

1) There will be traditional archery competition

side adventure here are , part of the program

2) jungle survival skill demonstrations. ? demonstartion of how negritoes train American soldier to survive in the jungle. And guided jungle walk also. you will be taught where to get water, from trees, vines etc so on and so forth. build fires from bamboo etc.
.
2) natives will cook food from large bamboos to you and serve you. Something I wouldn?t like to miss and is so proud of this. And should be part of the agenda I will insist!!!!! things are so delicious when cook inside bamboo and done in tropical jungle.!

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Im sure its going to be a totally exciting experience/ culture to you guys. I just need your cooperation regarding this. Our govt will be shock after seeing there is indeed organized vintage
archery after all when letters are shown.

You know talk is talk , while showing something in written form is of another thing. Which im going to make it ' convincing'. To the hierarchy here.

Then of course a team forming to go out of the country representing Philippines as Philippine team , to join other cultural archery will then be easier to form too. hows this sound?


peter


peter

Very interesting indeed. Bring lots of extra bows and arrows so we can buy them.

[pete]

http://vikingsword.com/rila/krieger.html

see arrow of the aetas , many models on above links

and other weapons of other tribes

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[pete]

you can see a lot of archery weapons here Philippine tribe.
just continue clicking.

but look a this snake , holy smoke!!!!!



http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/v ... c0TTvKXhg6