Composite/ wood bow comparisons

Fenris · Post by **Fenris** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:38 pm

Bede wrote:Patrick,

Archers always overestimate how far their arrows have gone in unmeasured environments, especially in irregular topography. shooting at Bonneville Flats has revealed several important facts.

Reading this I remembered a historical picture of okmeydani I saw over here http://www.turkisharchery.info/?p=competitions. That implies that okmeydani is a quite hilly area. Unfortunately there is no exact information where the menzil stones are (for checking at Google Earth) in the internet. Neither is for the old ramp where they shot the arrows from (this was a bit naive hoping, I know:)).
Anyway moving the mouse over the historical area at google earth I noticed that there is quite a difference in elevation (95 to 45 m)from west to east) over a distance of ca. 400 m.
I assume the old ottomans knew about this an choose to shoot in directions were there was not such a difference.
So can anyone here, give the gps coord. of a range stone and the belonging foot stone with the range, to crosscheck that issue!?

Kevin

Justin Ma · Post by **Justin Ma** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:21 pm

Redhorse wrote:I did try carbon but they explode.

In my experience, Beman shafts have poor durability. Gold Tip brand carbon shafts fare better in the durability department.

Patrick Menzies · Post by **Patrick Menzies** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:32 pm

I don't think there is any doubt that those shots were made. Sure some of them may have been somewhat wind aided.
We can clearly see from modern records what is attainable by tweaking arrow length, profile and overdraw but it still comes down to the fact that bows can push an object out there at remarkable speeds.
I should add that all of my own flight shots are measured multiple times with increasingly accurate measurements depending on how remarkable the shot was.

As a lifelong track runner I have developed a very good internal gps that gauges distance very accurately before even measuring "properly".

Fenris · Post by **Fenris** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:55 pm

I also do not doubt the records, since they are well documented! Actually I used them a lot in discussing flight shooting issues in another forum

. Just I was wondering if anyone can give GPS data of corresponding range and foot stones to check the elevation issue. Maybe at least the outline (boarders) of the historical okmeydani!?

Kevin

Justin Ma · Post by **Justin Ma** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:30 pm

Redhorse wrote:Redhawk, Read more carefully what Badger answers you.

Talking about this thread? http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/ ... rate-a-bow When the conversation gets into a "us vs. them" mode, it's easy to treat the other side as idiots who don't know any better. Things seem to have cooled down here, for which I am glad.

And I'm happy to acknowledge the benefits of self bows, all-wood laminates, and composite bows. In the end, it ends up being a tradeoff between better leverage vs. the low virtual mass. Different people came up with different solutions given the resources and engineering know-how they had available.

Fenris · Post by **Fenris** » Tue May 08, 2012 7:31 pm

Adam Karpowicz wrote:
1. Shoot bows for distance with a machine. I have one nearly made and hopefully ready by spring. It will shoot any bow up to 200lb.

Adam

Hallo Adam,

I just wanted to bring up this thread again to hear maybe what happened to the shooting machine. It's spring now, at least in Germany ...

regards Kevin

Adam Karpowicz · Post by **Adam Karpowicz** » Thu May 17, 2012 9:49 am

Kevin, the machine still needs a bit of a touch up and btw, the spring has just barely arrived here.

Adam