The bow from Exhibition dedicated for Pugachev rebellion.

Vonegelut · Post by **Vonegelut** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:14 pm

Here is the bow that was found on Russian historical reconstruction forum.
That was exhibition where this bow called as Kazakh. But I don't think so))
What do you think?
P.S Also guys says that russian officers at that time reports that Kazakhs at 18-19 cent. used Quing, Bashkir , Mongol & Buharian bows & their own.
Here is the link http://www.tforum.info/forum/index.php? ... &img=14490

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:41 pm

Rafael; I cannot read Russian but the bow in the pic is Buryat but the quiver is Kazakh. I would agree with your statement above as the Almaty museum is just full of Qing bows and those other nationalities are peoples who might have been in Kazakhstan. There is a place in Almaty called Cossak town (I do not remember how it is said there) which was peopled by loyal troops of this ethnicity who were given this place by, maybe, Nicholas?

You tell me.

I have a Tatar friend, born in Turkmenistan, lived much of his life in Uzbekistan, now in Texas. If someone calls him an Uzbek he immediately becomes surley. Same with bows; they find themselves a long way from home.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:33 pm

Jack was right, Vonegut.Thiss bow have nothing to do vith Kazakhs bow. Maybe if you see more in Russian.. treade. I lool in mi save pics and found some -maybe close to Kazakh or similar around bows. I think thats pics was somwhere here but for you :

This bow was for sale in net some time ago

Text in net sayd about bow-

Rare Uzbek/Khazak bow
A wonderful old compound or recurved bow from Central Asia/Uzbekistan - Samarkhand or Bukhara. These powerful bows with broad limbs trace a distinct heritage back to the bows used by the Mongols and Turkic tribes of the Timurid period, to which they are remarkably similar. This bow is boldly decorated with simple floral decorative features, the limbs are broad and thick, the shoulders have raised strings rests typical of oriental and far eastern bows. The bow survives in strung condition which gives one more of an impression of size and power which the unstrung recurved bow doesn't in general, unusually the string in place here is made of many twisted bundled threads of a white fibre coated to the outside with a lacquer or glue. Bows from this region survive in relatively small numbers and rarely in such splendid condition.

Maybe its "your" bow.
Or another interesting entusiast from Kirgizia Almazov say that his grandfather teach him about old archery vith same bows..Interesting bow vith sinew(?) or skin " pleteniem"

/ malenko pa rusky , ja ne savsem v anglijskom../

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:38 pm

Or maybe help you this pics.All was from russian pages /i dont remember where/ but identified like Bashkir bows.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:43 pm

Or this pic from some museum sayd -"Cherkess" soldier

this bow was from Turkestan

Vonegelut · Post by **Vonegelut** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:06 am

jack farrell wrote:Rafael; I cannot read Russian but the bow in the pic is Buryat but the quiver is Kazakh. I would agree with your statement above as the Almaty museum is just full of Qing bows and those other nationalities are peoples who might have been in Kazakhstan. There is a place in Almaty called Cossak town (I do not remember how it is said there) which was peopled by loyal troops of this ethnicity who were given this place by, maybe, Nicholas?

You tell me.

I have a Tatar friend, born in Turkmenistan, lived much of his life in Uzbekistan, now in Texas. If someone calls him an Uzbek he immediately becomes surley. Same with bows; they find themselves a long way from home.

Hi Jack! Yes, when I saw it I doubted but ornament on Quiver looked like ours. But I am still searching more information about our bows, & I also wrote to Hermitage curator to help me with some info. I think maybe Dzhungarian (Джунгары) our enemies in the past , has a Quing bow & that's is the reason - why we can find them in Almaty museum.
Yes, I understand what you saying, that Cossak town means - (Казачья слобода) the russian cossak settlement. Also Татарская слобода - where Tatars first settled. My grandfather was among them when came from Tatarstan. He escaped from the prison after fight with communist comissar.
It's interesting that our's tatar live in Texas

I think the reason why he don't like when someone called him Uzbek is negative association with Uzbeks & Uzbekistan. We still has problems with them on borders & we had a lot of fights(in the past). Also the problem is a total collapse & authority regime of Islam Karimov.

Vonegelut · Post by **Vonegelut** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:10 am

Dakujem DUSAN!!
Thank you very much for pics I saved it in my comp. Do you speak russian?

Vonegelut · Post by **Vonegelut** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:13 am

That bow from Kyrgyz looks strange a bit))

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:31 am

Vith pleasure, Vonegut. I hope this help you.

/S udavolstviem

Da, ja gavarju pa rusky . Slavianin...krome tavo ja 6 let učilsja v Maskve

S ?zbukoj na kompe ťe?el?, predpalag?ju ?to m??na čit?ť i tak.../

Vonegelut · Post by **Vonegelut** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:43 am

Dusan wrote:Vith pleasure, Vonegut. I hope this help you.

/S udavolstviem Da, ja gavarju pa rusky . Slavianin...krome tavo ja 6 let učilsja v Maskve S ?zbukoj na kompe ťe?el?, predpalag?ju ?to m??na čit?ť i tak.../

О здорово что ты меня понимаешь по русски))! У нас тоже рядом по соседству жили словаки. Хорошие ребята!
Ничего страшного я прекрасно читаю с латиницы)).
Вообщем я собираюсь в будущем реконструировать казахский лук, а то за державу обидно

! Поэтому потихоньку ищу информацию. Ну а пока начал с турецкого.
Приезжайте к нам в Алмату! Лично встречу!

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:00 pm

spas?ba.Ja byl u vas kagd? to...davn?.J?sli by ja tagd? znal, ?to b?du istar?nnymi luk?mi zanim?ťsja... I rog?v g?rnych kazl?v by nabr?l, aj j?j...

I mean that most bows close to kazakh hornbow was in Ukraina museums than in Russia.

Vonegelut · Post by **Vonegelut** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:29 am

Dusan wrote: spas?ba.Ja byl u vas kagd? to...davn?.J?sli by ja tagd? znal, ?to b?du istar?nnymi luk?mi zanim?ťsja... I rog?v g?rnych kazl?v by nabr?l, aj j?j...

I mean that most bows close to kazakh hornbow was in Ukraina museums than in Russia.

Да. Интересно а в каком городе вы были? Как говориться - знал бы куда падать то подстелил бы)). Буйволинные тут не достанешь а вот Горного Козла и Аргали есть.
Мы казахи еще делимся на Жузы и роды. Вот я по отцовской линии происхожу из Старшего Жуза тоесть территория Юго-восточного Казахстана. Мой род называеться Балгалы(означает дословно - Молоток) - тоесть делает инструменты и оружие. Жалко я не знаю были ли у меня bowmakers? Но я думаю что кто нибудь обязательно был либо лучником либо мастером по лукам.
Ещё у меня дед по материнской линии происходит от древнего племени Уйсун. Они были соседями скифов и юэчжэй.
Значит мне надо как-нибудь сьездить в Россию и сделать замеры лука для реконструкции.