Old Hungarian film about making the Magyar bow

Zoran Pavlovic · Post by **Zoran Pavlovic** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:41 pm

Hi friends,

Hope you will enjoy old film made by pioneer of revitalizing of ancient Hungarian archery tradition dr.Fabian Gyula as i did after i get this link. He explained making the Magyar bow traditional way. You do not need to speak Hungarian to understand, just enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0cjemm7 ... tube_gdata

Best regards,

amatuccio · Post by **amatuccio** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:37 am

Amazing ! What years ? '70 ?
Maybe Grozer was inspired by this method to realize his
biocomposite; i.e. to make a pre-shaped strip of tendons and glue and
after fix it to the corewood.
What kind of glue is used to fix gorn ? It seems vinilic.

Zoran Pavlovic · Post by **Zoran Pavlovic** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:41 pm

mr.Amatuccio,

I think this movie was made in late 50's or early 60's. Since i do not understand Hungarian i cannot answer about glue used in this movie but some Hungarian friend can tell us or i can ask my friend to translate main parts, i could say it is industrial glue, however, ancient Hungarians more than likely knew about fish glue beside hide/tendon glue. I was impressed about pre-shaped strip of sinew too, looks so traditional and very old way but am not sure were bows made this way able to reach 40lbs.
Greetings,

Alessi Francesco · Post by **Alessi Francesco** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:02 am

Very interesting but the building process seems a little strange to me,especially the sinewing part.I don't understand hungarian but I think he used casein glue to attach the horn to the core.Thank you for sharing.

Francesco

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:44 pm

the music and song very very same in the area of china Mongolia and northwest, they are not straight sinew fiber like chinese or korean bowyer, but the twist sinew fiber is more power and fast than the straight sinew

Uli · Post by **Uli** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:35 pm

indeed: is this music really hungarian/magyar ??
the language at least is not mongolian but the melody is surprisingly similar

jiao · Post by **jiao** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:29 am

compare the chinese song in this video 11:02-13:00, they are pk the song like pK rob, who can form song make the staff form the china and hungarian song?i feel very same,atarn has hungarian members ,i hope they can post some music , i am advice you see all of this video,may differ type song,the smooth song and hight song
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/W2WOGkrkrXs/

chinese shanbei folk song, you can use google translate it
http://baike.baidu.com/view/93989.htm

the early time hungarian folk song main is ballade(narrative),five musical scale,free cadence, more like turkey and a few Europe, the real hungarian folk must not time after Mongolia and turkey inbreak

ha, the huns never care his ancestry or language, the south huns keep his nation same as Europe huns, they are in chinese first dynasty and re-combine in han dynasty , many time they are want to rebuild han dynasty when han dynasty game over, it is a heavy history only culture （like there bow and archery)saved in everywhere

Peeetya · Post by **Peeetya** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:30 am

Hello,

according to the credits and the end of the film, the folk songs were sung by M?rta Sebesty?n (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M?rta_Sebesty?n), she is a famous Hungarian folk singer.
So yes, the songs are definitely in Hungarian.

The film was shot in 1981. Here is the google translated wikipedia article about dr Gyula F?bi?n:
http://translate.google.hu/translate?sl ... 29&act=url

Uli · Post by **Uli** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:37 am

I notice the rune sign on the siyah because its the same as on Grozer's bows. what does it mean ? protection ?

Markus · Post by **Markus** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:09 pm

TTT. Most interesting. I also think he used Casein glue to glue the horn. Wonder if such glue can be bought today? Markus.

Amarutu · Post by **Amarutu** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:52 pm

all you need is buttermilk or whey, vinegar and baking-soda (NaHCO3) to make it.

Ashbow · Post by **Ashbow** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:53 am

You can hear the word casein mentioned during the glue up bit in the film.
One can wonder how the casein glue stands up to the bending and all, I've also read it's water resistant. It rather wasn't used in the original bows?

Markus · Post by **Markus** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:55 am

Thanks, will give it a try, found some recipes on how to do it. Markus.