Aiming question (and answer)

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Post by Alina » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:03 pm

Russ Mitchell wrote:(Not in a very long time: those people think a hundred repetitions constitutes training.)
Well I think a hundred repetitions isn't a bad day's training. I try my best to shoot over 100 times a day, but my arrows are suffering terrible attrition.
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Post by Michal » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:21 pm

"Practice doesn't make perfect; only perfect practice makes perfect. If you practice crap for twenty years, all you'll be is a crapmaster."
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Post by Stephen Selby » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:06 pm

"Practice doesn't make perfect; only perfect practice makes perfect. If you practice crap for twenty years, all you'll be is a crapmaster."
Marc Fleischmann
A nice quote, which could almost be a translation of Gao Shuying writing in China almost 300 years earlier.
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Post by Russ Mitchell » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:16 pm

I have the same problem with arrow attrition, Alina. Counter-intuitively, I've found that the cheap nasty shafts tend to last the longest.

Speaking of which, Stephen, I've flipped down to a lighter-weight bow due to my surroundings, if you still have aluminum arrows hanging around.

Regarding the OT forum, I was actually talking about fencing... But since I train for speed/fluidity as well as accuracy (following the advice of pseudo-Maurikios' Taktika), a hundred arrows doesn't mean much when you can empty a twenty-arrow quiver in roughly a minute -- and that ain't even close to the speeds achieved by the folks Kassai teaches (though I don't care for their technique on historical grounds, you have to respect that kind of shot speed).

So, no insult was intended. For me, 100 shafts is more like "de-stress after work" than "training."
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Post by Michal » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:46 pm

For me, 100 shafts is more like "de-stress after work" than "training."
I agree Russ, and when the shooting is practised together with deep abdominal breathing, mind gets calm and fluent very quickly. That time becomes the best part of the day :)
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Post by Stephen Selby » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:04 pm

Speaking of which, Stephen, I've flipped down to a lighter-weight bow due to my surroundings, if you still have aluminum arrows hanging around.
Not really, I'm afraid.

I have two causes of arrow attrition. Breakage is one. The other is that wherever I go in China, people demand my arrows as mementos, and give me their beautiful but totally impractical arrows in return. :(
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Post by Russ Mitchell » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:07 pm

:lol:

Yeah, I've got some that would get me arrested, too. Gorgeous... not suitable for practice... btw, anybody else around here pulling from an arrowhead-up quiver set up, or am I the only one?
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Post by Bede » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:13 am

Russ,
I made one and have not had any trouble with it. One of the people I shoot with at archery practice also has one and handles it quite well. He uses three fingers and I use the thumb draw.
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Post by Russ Mitchell » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:56 am

Great. Good to know I"m not the only one. My rhythm is "lift, (bowhand secure)+shift right hand to nock, pull+release (no hold). I average just under a shot every three seconds with medium-weight bows.

If you've shot without a hold, have you noticed yourself being indifferent about how far you pull the string, so long as your shaft hits the target, or does your aiming involve a set "always to here"+hold?
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Post by Stephen Selby » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:17 pm

If you've shot without a hold, have you noticed yourself being indifferent about how far you pull the string, so long as your shaft hits the target, or does your aiming involve a set "always to here"+hold?
I think that's a bit of a slippery slope. It may be ok to be indifferent if you and the target are stationary and you get enough penetration and not too mich drop off; but with a moving target/archer, you need the speed delivered by a full draw, otherwise you have to put in a bigger offset to allow for the sideways movement. And if you don't work from a full draw, how big will that offset be?

Reaching full draw doesn't necessarily mean that you have to hold, though.
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Post by Russ Mitchell » Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:17 pm

Obviously bigger. You're absolutely right, I haven't gotten access to a horse. Hrm... I have a nearby levee, though, and a friend with a pickup truck...
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Post by Bede » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:46 pm

I draw until the point of the arrow touches the the thumb of the bow hand. You can use that sensation like a modern archer uses a clicker and shoot immediately if you have aimed during the draw.
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Post by Alina » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:51 pm

I find that there is a pattern developing. If I do my kyudo form, or the mongolian form Stephen posted, I hit the target. If I shoot without concentrating on the form, I miss.
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Post by jiao » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:32 am

i'm interesting this topic, in fact , the feeling of straight line the god give our human, it on our hands, fingers,foot,it not need use eyes aiming, perhaps it is a secret of army

yestoday i am try this way but failed , some unstable reason happen caused i take a wrong way on arms and waist, the gesture and musculature must be stable

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Post by Uli » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:06 am

some examples of aiming techniques..enjoy
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