Flagella dei

M Hardman · Post by **M Hardman** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:25 pm

Dear All

I recently was out field shooting when the guide dropped the name flagella dei, http://www.flagelladei.hu/eindex.html , has anyone had any experience with this bowmaker? I ask because the guide claimed that his magyar by flagella easily outshot his mongolian by grozer dispite a 20lb difference.

Many thanks

Mike

Stephen Selby · Post by **Stephen Selby** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:54 am

I see that they have a nice site; but no photos or drawings of their bows.

S

Stig_Losnegaard · Post by **Stig_Losnegaard** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:16 am

I found some now (the Hun-bow doesn't seem to have pictures though).

It seems that for some of categories under "Our bows" one have to choose
a sub-category (i.e. "Mongol") before a picture appears. A little arrow-point
in the lower right corner then indicates how many pictures availible.

Some of the pictures where also a bit slow to load into the frame.

jonR · Post by **jonR** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:27 pm

There was a dealer here in the mid west awhile ago. A friend picked up a "Mongol" from them. The siyhas seemed a bit heavy(?) When shot it had a sluggish feel to it. More along the lines of a slingshot shooting a heavy stone than the usual snap that I'm used to with a bow.
It was not bad to shoot and kept its end up out to 25-30 yards. As to speed I didn't notice that it was any speed demon. But with a real light arrow I guess it would get up there.
JonR

ginni · Post by **ginni** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:15 pm

I have shot some arrows with a Flagella 57@28, the hun model and with a turkish. The bows are laminated fiberglass and wood, with osage siyah and with nice reflex shape.

The hun seems to be much stronger when start to draw, like a 70 lbs, then become very smooth.

It shot with handshock, not very fast, but is very pleasant and I think is a better bow than Toth hun bow (these Toth bows are made with fiberglass limbs and ash siyah).

The turkish model have a C shape. Compared with a grozer turk, at some draw weight (around 33@28 both bows I have tested) is no difference. And very important, these bows are cheap, in Romania one bow cost 150 euro, I think in Hungaria can be cheaper.

The hungarians archers have some speed tests, look here:

http://sarkanykronika.atw.hu/flagella.htm

The bows available today are little bit different relative to the bows picted on this site.

M Hardman · Post by **M Hardman** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:44 pm

I noticed they were cheap as well, always a major incentive.

Ginni, Do you know what the draw length on the Torok (i'm assuming thats turk) bow is?

Those new bows look even better than the ones on the site, i'm even more tempted now! Pity there isn't a good hungarian to english translator.

Many thanks

Mike

Redhorse · Post by **Redhorse** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:10 pm

Well the speeds are as a selfbow shoot, so I wonder, what arrow weight did they use?

ginni · Post by **ginni** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:53 pm

Mike,

The turk can be draw at 30", so the krimean-tartar; the others bows at 32".

I have here in Romania a friend who is flagella dei dealer and have very good prices. He speak english very good and is a nice guy; if you want you can mail him here:

[email protected]

His name is Dragos.

About the arrows used, I think it was aluminium 2117 at 28' draw lenght.

Orda Khan · Post by **Orda Khan** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:16 am

They look very similar to bows by Kaffka.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:49 am

I have a bow I ordered directly from Hungary, made by a bowyer named Karoly Lapat. It is a 'Magyar' style and looks identical to the one on the site.

It weighs 62lb @ 28" and seems to shoot fast with a good feel, though it does have alot of initial tension.

Szabi Nagy · Post by **Szabi Nagy** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:24 pm

Orda Khan wrote:They look very similar to bows by Kaffka.

They are actually the same - Flagella Dei is owned by the Kaffka family.
Szabi

sbartels · Post by **sbartels** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:00 pm

I wonder if that statement - a Flagella Dei Turk is the same as a Grozer Turkish bow - is completely impartial and unbiased.

Certainly it does not apply to laminated or TRH Grozer bows. I've shot both.

jonR · Post by **jonR** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:08 pm

I stand corrected. After talking with my friend,the bow was a Toth not Kafka.

M Hardman · Post by **M Hardman** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:11 pm

I don't know if this is pheasible or not but anyway,
I think I am right in thinking that there are hundreds of good bows out there, and that many of these bows shoot well. This leaves people who are looking for a 'traditional' bow (insofar as traditional as a english man with a turk bow can be) rather stuck for choice.
how about an article containing a list of bows shot by members of this forum. I don't mean a article saying 'yeah this bow is great' but more along the lines of this bow's arrow speed is, longest distance shot with such and such weight arrow is,. sort of a guide for newbies like me on whats hot and whats not.

cheers

Mike

ginni · Post by **ginni** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:33 pm

sbartels,

I have shot with two very light bows, grozer turk base and flagella turk, booth around 33 lbs.

The bows shot almost identical, but I dont know how will shot bows with a heavy or medium draw weight.

Course, the grozer bow look much better, there a big difference between.

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