Surviving cossack bows

Jaroslav · Post by **Jaroslav** » Sun May 22, 2005 9:32 pm

To all you knowledgeable - are there any surviving cossack artefacts, more to speak about from nonregistred cossacks era or such early as 14. and 13. century?

Jaroslav · Post by **Jaroslav** » Fri May 27, 2005 10:13 am

Nobody?

Andrzej Abratowski · Post by **Andrzej Abratowski** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:53 am

I think that the problem is with what do you mean by cossac in 13-14th century. Did you write about Ukrainian Cossack? Theyr history was started a bit later.

Tere are some things excavated from the battlefield in Beresteczko, 17-th century. I my view Ukrainian Cossack used a lot of Crimean Tatar archery equipment because of contact and equipment made in Poland, Russia and Turkey.
Interesting fact is a one of Ukr. Cossack military rank called "hetman sahajdaczny" (Polish transcription)
hetman - commander-in-chief of the Polish and Ukrainian Cossack army in 16-18th century
sahajdak (sahajdaczny) - is from Turkish sadak (in Poland sajdak) - bow & arrow case

Andrzej

Jaroslav · Post by **Jaroslav** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:13 pm

Its generally considered that the people called later "cossack" were living on Don and in Ukraine as early as in 13. cent. But I m not history expert.
Better is to ask what is the earliest bow artifact, thought to be "cossack" bow.

Do you have the materials about Beresteczko artifacts? There was really old post on old forum about Beresteczko arrows, but not about bows.

Anyway
dzienkujem bardzo!

Andrzej Abratowski · Post by **Andrzej Abratowski** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:46 pm

History is only my hobby

But ther are some different views and ideas by professional historians from Russia and Poland and Ukraine (both last are more similar especialy concern origin).
Even the etymology of name Cossack has different explanation.
I think that it is hard to tell about Cossacs nation in 13-th century because of political domination of Mongol tribes and before Mongol invasion to. In Estern European steppe before Mongol era ware some nomadic tribes but I think not Cossacks.
See some texts:
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/di ... ssacks.htm

http://www.armymuseum.ru/kaz1_e.html

http://www.history-magazine.com/cossacks.html

I didn't hear anthing about special kind of Cossack bow

In Krakow (Czartoryski Museum) is one bow discrabed as Polish but it is very debatable

everybody would has own kind of bow, especially historians

see typology of sabre for example.
You could looking for a Cuman, Mongol and Crimean Tatar bows or other speppe people north of Black Sea and Caucasus.

Pozdravy

Andrzej

Jaroslav · Post by **Jaroslav** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:34 pm

Thank you very much Andrzej!

Andrzej Abratowski · Post by **Andrzej Abratowski** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:38 pm

Once more. You'r right, it was no bows found in Beresteczko battlfield but arrows and a part of quiver only.

Andrzej