Who's Bow is BEST???

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Who's Bow is BEST???

Post by Flynn » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:11 pm

Hello fellow archers, who do you think has the best bows?

I have used a Kassai (which stacked up at 30") so im looking for a differnt one but whos.

Grozer - l want it for Horseback Archery so i looked at the Scythian & Hungerian

or

Lucas Novotny ???

i shoot with the 3 fingers like Kassai and hold the arrows in bow hand not the quiver, seeing i havent actually seen any of these bow in the wood and they are expensive i dont want to make the wrong choice so any help please :lol: will be much appreciated :P
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Post by M Hardman » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:10 pm

Flynn,
try this link to an Atarn newsletter
http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_jan03.htm
scroll down a bit and you'll find a comparison of some of Grozer's bows, and one by Lucas Novotny.

I myself own a Grozer Scythian and Grozer Turkish bow (the base model). I am pleased with both, but the Turkish bow more so because of the shaped handle, which is always comfortable to shoot with. On the downside though, I can never get the Turkish bow's brace height correct, if I follow the advised 8", it looks too low, and if I have it at 8.5" it acts as if its too high. So if you want one of those, I'd advise you make sure it comes with the original string (mine didn't), so you know the correct brace height.
Neither Scythian bow or Turkish bow stacks before their maximum draw length is reached.
As your in Devon, you could order a Grozer through the Honiton Quicks outlet, if you wish to test it before buying.

Hope this helps.
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Post by yokhua » Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:31 am

Lucas Novotny is #1 Saluki bow is the best, I'm 120% for sure... Hungarian bows are furnatures,, FURNATURES.... can be shot, yet not fast enough and looks ugly
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Post by sean » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:22 pm

Hi Flynn,

I take your criteria as being draw length, sweetness, robustness and economy.
I recommend Kassai's laminated Falcon's/('high tech Hun') for economy(I bought from him in situ. @ E220), lightness, speed long draw length(ca.34in) and lack of stacking. They are in my experience, very robust. I am a novice and find these great value, forgiving and stable. They are designed for horse archery and handles are crafted to ease arrow grasp. I have a 39 and a 43# and they are sweet to draw. Both mine are without colour or decoration and appear functional.
If you prefer a shorter, more efficient and less utilitarian look, then I suggest Grozer's laminated Assyrian. A hundred euro dearer than the Falcon if bought direct, but very good looking, light, 34in long draw, no stack and whip fast. Mine's a 40# and while less forgiving than the Falcon due to power/dimension ratio it's robust and a real favourite.
Slightly dearer is Csaba's TRH Turk, also short,light, fast, sweet and with a long draw. I love mine. Neither of these of course are designed for Kassai style arrow grasp.
I have fibreglass/resin bows from both suppliers- much heavier, seemingly slower, harsher but robust, good looking and long drawing.
You should research Korean Hwarang bows sourced from Thomas Duvernay. Cheaper than the above mentioned, long drawing, extraord- inarily sweet and very very fast. My 45# is in a class of its own and its properties are truly remarkable. It is easier to draw than the 39&40# bows I have from Csaba Grozer! It requires more respectful treatment and birch bark facing must be handled with care. This bow is described as being akin to a horn bow in characteristics. Very good value.
Lukas Novotny's bows are hailed by all as masterpieces, but they are much dearer.
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Post by paku » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:01 am

Yokhua
Beware of such comments.
What does it mean furnature?
S?ndor
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Post by Orda Khan » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:59 am

Furniture = chair, table, etc. A 'slightly' biased response :?
I second sean regarding the Kassai Hun model, smooth, stable, robust and accurate. I've experienced no stacking with this bow.
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Post by yokhua » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:37 pm

furnatures means turely functuinal,yet still long way to reach the standared of grace, beauty and works of art....
I have both bows from Hungrian bowyer and Saluki, and I am able to make horn bows which reach every standared I said...
I recomend you try them both then you will know the bows from Saluki are much better....

That's what I really mean..
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Post by Szabi Nagy » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:26 pm

Actually, your previous post sounded like an oversimplification (a very bad one) - just like stating (based on the look of the "genuine Mongolian bows" on ebay) that "Asian bows are for decoration purposes only".
There are thousands of archers who can't build their own bows or afford a horn-wood sinew composite. They seem to be quite happy with their mass-produced bows (Hungarian bows or others). And they shoot much better than me - or maybe than you.
Best, Szabi
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Post by yokhua » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:29 pm

OK! I'm not talking about hornbows in this case.. I'm talking about the fiberglass laminated bows from Saluki... Same modern materials,yet just much better then Hungarian bows...
Just try them both first then you will know...
I'm not against anyone or support anyone... Here the tittle is "Which bow is the best".... I just share my experiences...

That's all, If you haven't try Saluki's bows, how do you know??
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Post by Szabi Nagy » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:58 pm

well, I'm not talking about Salukis, what I don't like is the statement about Hungarian bows. That's oversimplification.
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Re: Who's Bow is BEST???

Post by gt1cm2 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:59 pm

Flynn wrote:Hello fellow archers, who do you think has the best bows?

I have used a Kassai (which stacked up at 30") so im looking for a differnt one but whos.
I have a Kassai buzzard at 30# and my husband has a Kassai Bear at 40# neither of these two bow's stack so maybe you need to look at more?

I do really like the Grozer bow's and have heard good things about them.
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Post by greg.krankurs » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:54 pm

Hey guys!
I've got 3 bows. A hornbow composite from mongolia, a raven laminate from Kassai and a TRH Hungarian laminate from Grozer.
While all are amazing looking and functioning bows, my personal favorite is the TRH Grozer, so smooth and absolutely no hand shock. The Kassai bow has a slight hand shock even at 28#. This is just personal experience from the bows I have.
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Post by greg.krankurs » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:22 pm

i am posting some pictures of my hungarian bows just to disprove the notion that they are furnitures. These are not fiberglass bows nor are they traditional hornbow composites. They are both laminates. Both look great, are very fast and a joy to shoot. and they weigh absolutely nothing.
cheers. And correct me if I am mistaken, but a full-blown, custom built bow from Saluke runs at least 1000$?

Grozer TRH Hungarian
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same bow, strung
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Kassai Laminated Raven
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detail of the limb lamination
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last but not least,
check out this site, www.eastern-archery.com
this guy is not a bowyer, he is a supplier, but he has quite a few bowyers represented.

cheers
Greg
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Post by greg.krankurs » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:36 pm

And since i've decided to dominate this post haha.
The Grozer TRH Hungarian doesn't stack until 34" or so,
My drawlength is at about 32.5"

and the bow is fast
once again to disprove "the furniture" comment
i've posted this video before,
u can see how fast it is.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2038366891
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Post by yokhua » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:05 pm

So! All of you are Hungrians.... no wonder.. And no one of you have experience of Saluki's bows...
Same comment like before, Try Saluki bows first then give comment like me....
Saluki's bows are much better....
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