Asian Arrow Points

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:09 pm

These are the forge tools from the State Archaeological Reserve museum in Shoulder, Kazakhstan. I realise that these are not for making points. The upper next to left is a miniature anvil for jewelery making. Nevertheless they are the first Nomad type forge tools I have seen. We are looking for tongs and a small anvil. The hammer head would be useful. It has a cross peen head for thinning metal.

I can imagine the tang of an arrowhead being made first and then used as a place to grip with special tongs. Mark Stretton, Brit archer and point smith makes his socket first and then the point.

Any smiths out there wanting to make a comment?

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:29 pm

The forge and bellows from the same display. One might like to see an air intake on the side toward the bottom and a kind of ceramic grating in the bottom inside. None of this could be seen. One would hope this to be a kind of ceramic forge rather than stone.

The overall apparatus is compact and transportable. -j-

Rapsod · Post by **Rapsod** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:28 am

Vikings have used small anvils. There is one viking tool chest: M?stermyr chest. Lot of woodworking tools and few wedge like small anvils.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:53 am

Rapsod; here is the link to those tools. Thankyou for bringing it to our attention.

Most are woodworking tools but many blacksmith tools are present. This is a great treasure, a craftsman's box with more than 100 tools from 1000 years ago. Was found in 2002.

It is like a vocational school in a box!

http://www.netlabs.net/~osan/Mastermyr/ImageLib.html

What will be the rarest of the rare , if it is ever found, will be a swage block for making those three bladed heads- that is an iron support for hammering them. -j-

Rapsod · Post by **Rapsod** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:48 pm

The most interesting things are hacksaw and files. I have hacksaw that look like that one on picture but my is only 10 years old?!!!

I am bit disappointed. There is no hand plane.

That thing under no. 96 is tool for saw tooth setting.

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:00 pm

mediaval blacksmith from northern India and his workshop.

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:25 pm

Rapsod; Many people think that everything important was invented in the last 100 years. Romans used a claw hammer equal to those today and also a metal sole plane among others.

Mysa; This looks like an interesting picture. Can you increase the size?

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:52 pm

Jack , If I were forging arrow points or spear heads and I have done both , I would forge the socket first.
I will try and post a few pics of a boar spear head and an arrow point that I forged .
Alan

Alan Flashing · Post by **Alan Flashing** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:45 am

The boar spear was forged from a 1" round bar. The arrow head was forged from a 1/4" x 1' flat bar. The arrow head is not finished yet.
Alan

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:40 am

Sorry Jack. I?m an embryo in the computer working. The photo is from Manfred Sachsś book about Damascus steel. Blacksmithing is my job and hobby -especially damast steel making and ancient weapons. I would like to try send more pictures in normal size

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:55 am

biger size of indian blacksmith

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M??a · Post by **M??a** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:57 am

M??a · Post by **M??a** » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:59 am

Rapsod · Post by **Rapsod** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:59 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blBzKTly4Yc

Ashbow · Post by **Ashbow** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:18 am

jack farrell wrote;

I can imagine the tang of an arrowhead being made first and then used as a place to grip with special tongs. Mark Stretton, Brit archer and point smith makes his socket first and then the point.

While it?s common when forging socketed arrowheads to forge the socket first ( I haven?t heard of anyone forging the opposite way actually.) I suspect that when you forge a tanged arrowhead it would be easier to forge the point first, I?m not sure though maybe there are several methods.
Accomplished arrow smith Hector Cole emphasize that when forging Japanese arrowheads he forge the tang last;

http://www.hectorcoleironwork.com/Articles.html

What will be the rarest of the rare , if it is ever found, will be a swage block for making those three bladed heads

Jack, do you have any reference for using such swage blocks by Asian smiths, do you think of any particular heads here? I?ve been wondering myself how a three (and four) bladed head could be forged.
There were of course cast bronze heads.

Asian Arrow Points

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