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Aristotle · Post by **Aristotle** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:31 pm

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:44 pm

Dear all,
Can we prepare a "multilingual traditional archery vocabulary"? What do you say?

First work is describing the word list in English. I can prepare the pilot one. Who wants to join and enrich this kind of project?

Metin Ates · Post by **Metin Ates** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:48 pm

Aristotle, I repeated your fault! It's ironic.

Aboved message belongs to me.

Aristotle · Post by **Aristotle** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:19 pm

Metin Ates wrote:Aristotle, I repeated your fault! It's ironic.
Aboved message belongs to me.

Brothers (even in Archery) behave in a ...common way!

In a case such this ( Traditional Archery Vocabulary) will be my pleasure to add in Hellenic!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:32 pm

I notice that the old Turkish for arrow is Tir. This is similar to modern French Tir a'larc, for archery (I think, long time since I spoke any french). Do they share a common root?

I think a book that connect all these words in a tree of entmology would be very interesting. I'd like to contribute, but I'm limited to English....

M Hardman · Post by **M Hardman** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:33 pm

That's me above.

Three in a row!

Metin Ates · Post by **Metin Ates** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:34 pm

First rule of the vocabulary club is "send a message as Guest"

Aristotle: Your contribute is welcome! I believe it will be great job for Traditional Archery concerned people.

Hardman: Tir is a Persian word actually. Lots of Persian and Arabic words absorbed by the Ottoman language. Maybe by French too. "tir" mean is shooting in French and related with arrow.

I'll share first draft of the vocabulary in the near future with you. WTAF preparations takes my considerable time at now.

Aristotle · Post by **Aristotle** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:34 am

Metin Ates wrote:First rule of the vocabulary club is "send a message as Guest"

!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:19 am

Tir is indeed the Farsi (Persian ) word for arrow or shaft in non-archery contexts. It has migrated to many languages and is another word for arrow in Ottoman Turkish texts. I think the tir in French comes from the verb tirer to pull or draw.

Please help Jak. I am a long way from my dictionaries.

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:33 pm

I don't know about "tir" in French but looks close to "tirar" in Spanish, used in the context for pulling a bow also.

Bede, are you in Utah for the Flight Championships? If that's the case, good luck.

jak · Post by **jak** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:34 pm

I have eard that toxos give "toxique"(poisonnous) in french because arrows head have poison on it or some thing like poisons that give injury deadly

bede I am looking for a link between tir in french and turkish
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in french" tir "mean" shoot" when you speak shoot an arrow or a bullet with gunfire

you pull the string and you push the bow to shoot an arrow

robno · Post by **robno** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:15 pm

Nope, the greek word "toxon" is a different word than the (also greek) "toxikon" and the later latin "toxicus".
Perhaps our greek friends can tell us if it is actually supposed to be an "x" as in "xi" or if it should be a "chi" in toxon originally?

jack farrell · Post by **jack farrell** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:43 am

In Central Asia, Ok (Oq), arrow, now also means bullet; and gez, nock, now also means gun sight (the rear sight with a groove).

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:43 am

Back from Utah and in Oregon. Jaap Koppedreyer shot better me with a new Turkish bow he built. He proved that a light bow under full control is better than a heavy bow that controls you.

I was able to shoot with an arrow guide and a Korean bow as well as the same bow and broadheads.

Jak, thanks for looking into tir for me.

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:24 pm

Very interesting. I got the news from Jaap, it's amazing that a 40#bow can outshoot an 80# bow. I hope to see pictures of the event.

I think that the siper only brings fear and distraction, it must be very hard to control it.