A Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368) Bow from Xining, Qinghai, China
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
A Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368) Bow from Xining, Qinghai, China
This time in Xining I was able to take some photos of a bow that is on display in the Provincial Museum at Xining, Qinghai, China. The bow is labelled as 'Yuan', and in my view it is just that. As such, it would reflect the design used by the Mongols after their defeat of the Xixia, as Xining would have formed part of the old Xixia Kingdom.
As usual, the museum staff had not idea how to attach the fake string they had made for the bow, and the arrows and arrowheads are also modern confections.
As usual, the museum staff had not idea how to attach the fake string they had made for the bow, and the arrows and arrowheads are also modern confections.
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
Here is the belly of the 'lower' limb (relative to the display) from above to show the bredth of the limb. The grip is uppermost and the siyah at the bottom.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Stephen Selby on Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
Fox
- Posts: 45
- Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:40 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
Is this Saluki bow similiar to this ?
Is this bow similiar to the one using by the girl April in your newsletter?
Fox
http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_oct04.htm
Fox
http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_oct04.htm
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
- jiao
- Posts: 663
- Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 1:24 pm
- Location: china
- Contact:
http://www.archeryhistory.com/recurves/pics/bowpic.jpg
stephen,it is a mongolia hornbow structure picture,after the yuan dynasty end and split two country,i has a questions,after the mongolia inbreak Europe and close to all Asia ,they are glean(or captive) craft man such as bowyer make the hornbow,
also might contain Turkish, Persia,chinese hornbowyer ,it is a story real or not, but we and find at that times,the hornbow trun more transformation, the genghis khan's and hubilie khan's hornbow has showed at atarn, perhaps,some technology in common(the structure,the material the method)
at yuan dynasty, it is a gold times of the hornbow makeing?if they are not too barbarity and enjoy the money/wine/woman so much , all the world will be unite one country
stephen,it is a mongolia hornbow structure picture,after the yuan dynasty end and split two country,i has a questions,after the mongolia inbreak Europe and close to all Asia ,they are glean(or captive) craft man such as bowyer make the hornbow,
also might contain Turkish, Persia,chinese hornbowyer ,it is a story real or not, but we and find at that times,the hornbow trun more transformation, the genghis khan's and hubilie khan's hornbow has showed at atarn, perhaps,some technology in common(the structure,the material the method)
at yuan dynasty, it is a gold times of the hornbow makeing?if they are not too barbarity and enjoy the money/wine/woman so much , all the world will be unite one country
- Bede
- Posts: 2360
- Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:57 am
- Location: Sydney, Australia
-
Andrew Hall
- Posts: 192
- Joined: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:11 pm
- Location: UK
Stephen, an interesting bow.
E.G. Heath's "The Grey Goose Wing" has a photograph of a Yuan dynasty Mongolian warrior with his bow, quiver and 11 arrows found in the Tsaidam Basin, Chinghai (I assume this is the old spelling of Qinghai). This bow is also damaged at one end of the grip, but does not appear to have as much reflex.
Do you have an estimate for the length of the bow?
Andrew
E.G. Heath's "The Grey Goose Wing" has a photograph of a Yuan dynasty Mongolian warrior with his bow, quiver and 11 arrows found in the Tsaidam Basin, Chinghai (I assume this is the old spelling of Qinghai). This bow is also damaged at one end of the grip, but does not appear to have as much reflex.
Do you have an estimate for the length of the bow?
Andrew
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
I wasn't able to measure accurately; but 145-150 cm measured along the full length of the bow should be about right. Ignore the arrows completely: they are bogus.Do you have an estimate for the length of the bow?
If you took a cross-section at the middle of the working part of the limb, it would be 5.5cm wide and 1.5cm thick, flattened ovoid. That is noticeably wider in the limb than the modern 'Mongolian' hornbows that people are making; but consistent with what I have seen as a development from the Khotan bow (broadest limbs) to the Ming bows (getting close to the modern Korean form.)What interests me is the cross sections of the siyah, near the nock, at its middle and near the working part of the limb.
The base of the siyah was about 2.7cm and almost circular in cross-section. The siyah flattens towards the tip from the point along the length where you start to see a sort of 'neck' from the side, so that the tip of the siyah is about 3cm in depth and about 5-6mm wide.
I'll try to sketch it.[/quote]
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
-
jack farrell
- Posts: 1864
- Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:40 am
- Location: Texas
- Stephen Selby
- Posts: 1452
- Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:10 pm
- Location: Hong Kong
- Contact:
I examined the bow carefully and I do not think there was any bone reinforcement either at the siyahs or on the grip.
I would put the limb cross-section as 'flat'. That is to say that although basically lenticular, at the middle of the working section of the limb, the back and belly surfaces (in cross-section) would be parallel. There was very limited rounding of the horn belly.
I would put the limb cross-section as 'flat'. That is to say that although basically lenticular, at the middle of the working section of the limb, the back and belly surfaces (in cross-section) would be parallel. There was very limited rounding of the horn belly.
