Dwanyin,
Thank you for the pictures, That help me a lot. Before,When I told people the bow I built is Ming bow..... They all said"it is not, it's more like Turkish or Tartar"...
Now we have a hard core evidence... That the horn bow I built is really Ming bow...
Thank you very very much...
Jang,Yuhua
Yuan/Ming Bow?
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it is a hun style or yuan hornbow? why i see the photo from china dynasty of tang/shanguo/wudai same style like this photo,why a ming dynasty emperor use this style bow ? it is a style bow not in ming book of wubeizhi, so ithis style hornbow also called a chinese han nation style bow?( it is nation so not today chinese, today chinese has 55 nation), in china han dynasty the chinese also make the hun style hornbows for use?
why?????
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Jiao, I think you are right. I don't know if the painting is Ming or earlier: but the bow looks like Song/Yuan.
But when we look at Wu Bei Zhi, we can see quite a lot of different bows used in the Ming period. Perhaps this is 大 （弓/肖） 弓。
Stephen
But when we look at Wu Bei Zhi, we can see quite a lot of different bows used in the Ming period. Perhaps this is 大 （弓/肖） 弓。
Stephen
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I believe that the painting is in the Ming style. There are several paintings with identifiable Ming emperors that have similar bows and bow cases. The style is one of two that regularly turns up in Ming figural paintings. I don't think that it is accidental that this type of bow looks Yuan. It would be extraordinary if the Yuan style died out entirely, particularly considering the Omnogorov bow which is much later.
Stephen has pointed out that the Yuan Empire was heterogenous and there were probably several types of bows in use in the same time. The Ming Dynasty was the inheritor of many Yuan features despite the fact that it represented a Chinese national renewal.
Stephen has pointed out that the Yuan Empire was heterogenous and there were probably several types of bows in use in the same time. The Ming Dynasty was the inheritor of many Yuan features despite the fact that it represented a Chinese national renewal.
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stephen: i am not remember 大 （弓/肖） 弓,are you has picture of wubeizhi bow listing ?
in two painting of ming emperor show many bow like korean or turk,only this bow especial, any possibility it is a uniquely booty?
in yuan period many nationality bowyer or craftsman make something together, so the yuan has several types of bows, the style base hun bows, when the north hun go Europe, the south hun become chinese ,and they has the han emperor 's name liu, they are keep there bow style until to yuan,so we can see the picture of a bow has long ears after han to sanguo and tang song yuan,right?
in two painting of ming emperor show many bow like korean or turk,only this bow especial, any possibility it is a uniquely booty?
in yuan period many nationality bowyer or craftsman make something together, so the yuan has several types of bows, the style base hun bows, when the north hun go Europe, the south hun become chinese ,and they has the han emperor 's name liu, they are keep there bow style until to yuan,so we can see the picture of a bow has long ears after han to sanguo and tang song yuan,right?
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Jiao,
I have been trying to write an article about the development of bows in China / Central Asia. It is not possible to find a straight line development. Just like today, different designs were popular with different people. Also, because transport of materials was not so easy, some poeple were restricted to a certain design because of no suitable materials for another design.
I have just been reading a book which says that the earliest 'long-ear' bone reinforcements were excavated in Western Asia from graves that belonged to people called 'Sauromaciae' or 'Sarmatians'. But that does not mean that they invented the design.
S
I have been trying to write an article about the development of bows in China / Central Asia. It is not possible to find a straight line development. Just like today, different designs were popular with different people. Also, because transport of materials was not so easy, some poeple were restricted to a certain design because of no suitable materials for another design.
I have just been reading a book which says that the earliest 'long-ear' bone reinforcements were excavated in Western Asia from graves that belonged to people called 'Sauromaciae' or 'Sarmatians'. But that does not mean that they invented the design.
S
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http://photos.i.cn.yahoo.com/chinesehor ... /#doc-body
i save some picture of many dynastic,any wrong cause copyringt?
i save some picture of many dynastic,any wrong cause copyringt?
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