new method for speed shooting during HA

jak · Post by **jak** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:35 pm

at ECHOA :first european HA competition in germany 6 sept I will show a new method :not Kassai method not Novotny method but a new one more simple only two steps for shooting instead of 3 with these classical method

video ASAP

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:36 am

The suspense! I'm very curious about your method.

jak · Post by **jak** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:43 pm

Hi josedom I come back from ECHOA:it was wonderful

I try for the first time my method on horseback :it work and as usual I

have to train with:I put the arrows with the heads up in my bowhand(I

think that indian of america do like that:hey jack Farrell?) then I use

thumb release or modified sassanid release (hey Bede it work well)

josedom you want try with your fine old yumi?

Jos?Dom · Post by **Jos?Dom** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:53 pm

Hi Jak, I think the method you described is similar than Kassai's but you hold the arrows upside-down than him and also he uses the 3 finger draw instead of the mongolian draw.

I think it's impossible to hold arrows on the bow hand using a yumi because of the special Japanese way to hold the bow. They hold one arrow but on the drawing hand, this is for formal shooting. For horse-archery, they use either the traditional ebira or they just put their jindo-ya under the belt of their hakama.

By the way, I always enjoy looking at the pictures of your blog. Those hornbows look amazing, especially that scythian.

jak · Post by **jak** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:21 pm

no josedom it is not like kassai method(nothing similar) and I dont use 3 fingers
the only "new" of my method is to hold the arrows upside ,after I shoot as usual

video soon

lancelot · Post by **lancelot** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:13 pm

jak wrote:no josedom it is not like kassai method(nothing similar) and I dont use 3 fingers
the only "new" of my method is to hold the arrows upside ,after I shoot as usual

video soon

So Jak I hope you don't mind that I show pictures of your technique.

http://www.fletchers-corner.de/cpg/disp ... fullsize=1

It's really a fast one, I tried it at EOCHA 2008 and Jak was my instructor.
I only have some problems with my thumb (hand of the bow), because I have to move it to put the arrow on the string.

jak · Post by **jak** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:19 pm

no problem lancelot

the picture is a little bit take early:after the thumb coil around the string naturally

one of the korean or mongolian team make a video when I shoot 6

arrows:may be he can put in youtube? thank to him in advance

robno · Post by **robno** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:27 pm

Look forward to seeing that video, 'cos by the looks of it from the pictures and one "dry run" with some arrows in my hand just to have a look my reaction is:
- Seems a greater risk at fumbling the arrows, or the bow, due to need to open the thumb (else there are three movements after all)
- Seems also like you need to hold the arrows in place just a fraction more stiffly so they won't slide down when you draw one of them (since the fletches aren't there to stop them from slipping through the fingers

But that is just a first impression

jak · Post by **jak** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:42 pm

Ooops robno sorry I dont see your answer:

the method to hold the arrows head up is not really "new" but I think it was

forgotten and I "rediscover" it.

May be many people have used that method but I have no proof but I

have historical proove that french people used that method at least 1000 years ago

so I use that method as the french way for speed shooting.

It is a very old technic in fact

something new under the sun????

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:12 am

Jak,
I always thought it would be safer to have the points held upwards because, if you are hunting with broad heads, you might accidentally stab yourself in the thigh otherwise. Hunters on foot have cut the femoral artery and bled to death before help could be brought.

Shooting on horseback and holding the arrows in the bow hand is ancient. In the old terracotta bas relief of a Parthian archer shooting (in Berlin I think), I could not tell which way up he held the arrows. There was not enough detail.

Dusan · Post by **Dusan** » Sun May 24, 2009 8:49 am

Clear visible how holding archer in left hand his arrows. Its fresca from Slovakia town Velka Lomnica , 1200-1300 - Legend about Vladislav

jak · Post by **jak** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:23 am

thank you dusan for the pic:

I often hold 6 arrows in my drawhand like this ,during HA

well you can hold 6 arrows with bowhand and 6 with drawhand and one

ready to shot:so 13 arrows with no problem using thumb-draw method for HA

but now I think that using a quiver is the safer method

holding arrows in the bowhand with points up is also a french method at

least since year 1066 because william the conqueror french army used it when

they invade england at hasting battle:you can see it on "bayeux tapissery"

you can see the picture at http://jakpradere.blogspot.com/

Lord Ruthven · Post by **Lord Ruthven** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:14 am

Jak,
I'm glad someone else is thinking about fast tumb reloading. Unfortunately the link to the pics is not working anymore, and I have never seen the video with your reloading.
Just yesterday at the field I discovered a verry quick method of reloading while using thumbring. The interesting thing is that my arrows are with arrowheads up too. So I think it might be actually the same method. Could you please repost pictures and/org video? I'm verry interested.
Unfortunately with my method, there is a problem - you can't hold too many arrows in the bowhand. I believe 4 or 5 is the limit (well, my hands are a bit small, buth nevertheless...) .
Tomorrow, when I'm back on the field I'll make a video and post it the day after tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.

jak · Post by **jak** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:41 am

ok my lord

I will put soon a new video: I hold at least 6 arrows in my bowhand

if you go to my blog clik on video link and you can watch the video at ECHOA2009

Lord Ruthven · Post by **Lord Ruthven** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:27 am

As I promised, here is what I have come to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5k8DwtON7s
This is one of my first attemts, so speed is rather low.

Looking forward to see your aproach.